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RE: Avoca male lions - SMK350 - 02-08-2023
Yes, they have the same father. The old Avoca male.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 02-08-2023
Some sightings of DM and Avocas when they where still with natal pride :
RE: Avoca male lions - veritas - 02-10-2023
Hi
Where can I go to read Avoca's history?
I admire and appreciate the forum here, but I still do not understand its system. Help me!
I want to know the basic information of Avoca.
How many pages does it take to get to know the brief introduction and history of Avoca? (Birth, Members, History, Pride Relationship with Dominated Territory)
I even thought that the dark mane of Majingilane
I don't think it's the same as the Avoca dark mane mentioned here, but I don't know because it's different. (I was able to infer by myself because I saw all Majingilane's death in 2018). Are the two different lions?
Thanks ?
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 02-10-2023
(02-10-2023, 12:53 AM)veritas Wrote: How many pages does it take to get to know the brief introduction and history of Avoca? (Birth, Members, History, Pride Relationship with Dominated Territory)5 Avoca males were born into Avoca pride in Timbavati and sired by the 2 old Avoca males. 2 older, later known as Southern Avocas were born in early 2013, while 3 others were born in mid 2013. The 5 did not made single coalition, 2 older males left the natal pride ealier than the others. 2 Southern Avocas became territorial in early 2018 in southern Sabi Sands, taking over Sparta pride. Later on they also took over Plains Camp and Sand River prides. 3 Northern Avocas as well became territorial in early 2018, through further north, in northern Sabi Sands. They took over then Talamati and Nkuchuma prides.
(02-10-2023, 12:53 AM)veritas Wrote: Are the two different lions?yes
RE: Avoca male lions - veritas - 02-10-2023
Great information!
Thank you very much!
So now it's time to search 5 names and investigate who made who and what history... for a few days my head will be confused again (hehe)
RE: Avoca male lions - Mdz123 - 02-10-2023
(02-10-2023, 12:53 AM)veritas Wrote: Hi
Where can I go to read Avoca's history?
I admire and appreciate the forum here, but I still do not understand its system. Help me!
I want to know the basic information of Avoca.
How many pages does it take to get to know the brief introduction and history of Avoca? (Birth, Members, History, Pride Relationship with Dominated Territory)
I even thought that the dark mane of Majingilane
I don't think it's the same as the Avoca dark mane mentioned here, but I don't know because it's different. (I was able to infer by myself because I saw all Majingilane's death in 2018). Are the two different lions?
Thanks ?
The Yutoube channel called SCAR also has many videos about the story of the Avocas you can go watch them if you're interested.
RE: Avoca male lions - DARK MANE - 02-13-2023
MOHAWK with family on 9 /2/2023
All subadults group members, 3 Bboys daughter and 3/4 cubs. One more father- sons coalition is on horizon. After 2 failed experiments ( DM Avoca and talamati young boys & nhenha and nkuhuma boy) hopefully this will succeed.
To be honest, I am already a fan of oldest ( & biggest) nkuhuma boy.
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RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 02-13-2023
(02-13-2023, 12:34 AM)DARK MANE Wrote: MOHAWK with family on 9 /2/2022
All subadults group members, 3 Bboys daughter and 3/4 cubs.
So both groups together?
There should be 5 cubs, 6 if young cub who was lost found them.
RE: Avoca male lions - Mapokser - 02-13-2023
How old are the oldest subs?
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 02-13-2023
(02-13-2023, 12:55 AM)Mapokser Wrote: How old are the oldest subs?
Oldest young male is born in May 2019, 2 middle males and 1 female are towards late 2019, 2 youngest, male and girl are from early/mid 2020 (cant remember exactly).
Cubs are from around mid 2021.
RE: Avoca male lions - criollo2mil - 02-13-2023
(02-13-2023, 01:42 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-13-2023, 12:55 AM)Mapokser Wrote: How old are the oldest subs?
Oldest young male is born in May 2019, 2 middle males and 1 female are towards late 2019, 2 youngest, male and girl are from early/mid 2020 (cant remember exactly).
Cubs are from around mid 2021.
Yes,,,,the cubs were born some in April and some in May of 2021. I’m still gathering the notes for the status thread.
RE: Avoca male lions - Mapokser - 02-13-2023
@Tr1x24 so the oldest one is turning 4 soon. Well, it wouldn't be impossible/without precedent that Mohawk could hold the territory with the help of the pride against 2 inexperienced BDM.
The odds are against him of course, prides and sons aren't brothers/coalitions partners after all, but it's not impossible, it has been done in the past, if he's smart he will be bonding with his son and sticking close to the pride.
I thought his situation was hopeless but he has a small chance.
RE: Avoca male lions - SMK350 - 02-13-2023
Under that Dark Mane video posted above there were some great shots of the Avoca males as cubs. All the whisker spots seem to be spot on, so I thought I’d repost it here:
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So based on this, It looks like Mohawk is indeed older than dark mane and Blondie. And dark mane really did have a close littermate/ sister! I hope she’s still with the pride.
RE: Avoca male lions - DARK MANE - 02-13-2023
(02-13-2023, 07:50 AM)SMK350 Wrote: So based on this, It looks like Mohawk is indeed older than dark mane and Blondie. And dark mane really did have a close littermate/ sister! I hope she’s still with the pride.
Yupp, it's clear from 1st and second last pic.
Southern avocas: Feb March 2013
Mohawk: April May 2013
DM/Blondie: November 2013
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 02-14-2023
Son of S. Avocas :