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RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 03-13-2018
Wolverine says: If the lion was a solitary cat as the tiger - no problem. But chances for bear (any bear) to survive among lion prides are close to zero.
Some thoughts: The Pleistocene grizzly survived in N. America among saber-toothed cats, scimitar-cats, and the American lions. In Pleistocene Europe, both the grizzly and the cave bear lived in the land of the cave hyena and the cave lion. Also, consider the Atlas bear who shared the domain of the Barbary lion. Your thoughts...
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RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - Spalea - 03-13-2018
@Wolverine @
Even if I consider that a pride of lions can be the most fearsome pride of mammal predators on Earth and this both during the Pleistocene period and now, I don't believe it would be enough to eradicate some species of bears in the same environment. During the pleistocene, the grizzlys and the cave bear weren't any pure predators. The only one Pleistocene ursid feeding only on meat was the ursus arctodus, but its impressives dimensions could efficiently protect it even against a pride of lions. OK the cave lions surprised the cave bears during the hibernating season in their dens but that resulted in furious fights not in slaughters.
I don't know a lot about the Barbary bear, but I also believe that it wasn't a pure predator. Thus it could be able to coexist with the Barbary lion.
And as concerns the sloth bear, its distinctive characteristic to deeply sleep on the ground makes it vulnerable again two marauding lions. Because as @Wolverine said, even if the the sloth bear waked up very easily, it couldn't fight off 2 determined lions.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - Pckts - 03-13-2018
Unmolested lands would be a sight to behold, I see no problem with all species coexisting. If a place became too hard to raise young then the animals would move, some animals would run into one another and conflict will erupt from time to time but that is no different than in todays world and it's not a usual occurrence. Lions live much closer to one another than you realize, Tigers roam from zone to zone in many parks and I assume it's the same with most other large Carnivore/Omnivores. People like to think that these places are battle grounds but from what I have seen, most of the time nature is very tranquil, animals have a good balance with one another and they know where they are safest.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - epaiva - 03-14-2018
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Picture of the recent fight of male Tiger and female Sloth Bear in Taboda National Park
Credit to @pantheracats
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - Pckts - 03-14-2018
(03-14-2018, 01:04 AM)epaiva Wrote:
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Picture of the recent fight of male Tiger and female Sloth Bear in Taboada National Park
Credit to @pantheracats
Beat me to it... I'll post the remarks as well.
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RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 03-29-2018
I'm sure that much happens in the taiga of the R.F.E. that is not witnessed by man.
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RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - chaos - 03-30-2018
(03-14-2018, 01:04 AM)epaiva Wrote:
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Picture of the recent fight of male Tiger and female Sloth Bear in Taboda National Park
Credit to @pantheracats
That's either a huge tiger or a small bear or a combination of both. Either way, the bears got a big pair of cahoonas, taking on this cat!
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 03-30-2018
That's either a huge tiger or a small bear or a combination of both. Either way, the bears got a big pair of cahoonas, taking on this cat!
Perhaps there is meant to be more distance between mother bear and tiger than it appears. On average, as is my understanding, the she-bear should be near weight-parity with the tiger even though the big cat will have an advantage in height and length. Of course, not ever tiger is average.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - Rishi - 04-02-2018
(03-30-2018, 04:09 PM)brotherbear Wrote: That's either a huge tiger or a small bear or a combination of both. Either way, the bears got a big pair of cahoonas, taking on this cat!
Perhaps there is meant to be more distance between mother bear and tiger than it appears. On average, as is my understanding, the she-bear should be near weight-parity with the tiger even though the big cat will have an advantage in height and length. Of course, not ever tiger is average.
What are you saying!
Sloth bear males can grow upto 200kg, but not even the largest of females ever reach 150kg & 7-years-old Matkasur would be a minimum 500lb.
It's just as @chaos had said.. The hairy lady got a big pair of "cahoonas" (metaphorical).
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 04-02-2018
Rishi - the picture is artwork dealing with the Amur tiger ( Siberian tiger ) which is stalking a bear cub; Ussuri brown bear - also called Amur brown bear or black grizzly. Much bigger than a sloth bear.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - Rishi - 04-02-2018
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RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 01:21 PM)Rishi Wrote: @brotherbearOh ok.. You'd quoted the text of the post #137 with the sloth bear & Matkasur.
No, actually post #137 is speaking of the Russian artwork of tiger and grizzly. But no big deal.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 04-14-2018
For the most part, grizzlies ( Amur brown bears ) stalked and killed by tigers ( both male and female ) are juveniles or sub-adults normally at least one hundred pounds less in weight than the tiger. But there has been some recorded incidents of tigers killing mature she-bears of weight-parity. These events have proven to be no easy kills for the tigers involved. It is possible that sometimes the tiger simply misjudges the size of the bear.
A comparison of the Amur tigress and the Amur ( black grizzly ) she-bear - Average Sized Animals:
Tiger: head and body length - 172 cm ( 5 feet 8 inches ) - Grizzly: head and body length - 160 cm ( 5 feet 3 inches ).
Tiger: shoulder height - 78 cm ( 2 feet 8 inches ) - Grizzly: shoulder height - 96 cm ( 3 feet 2 inches ).
Tiger: weight - 137.5 kg ( 303 pounds ) - Grizzly: weight - 189 kg ( 417 pounds ).
*Average mature male Amur tiger and average mature female Amur grizzly = 189 kg ( 417 pounds ) each - the bear is 35.56 cm ( 14 inches ) shorter in head and body length.
RE: Bear and Big Cat interactions in the wild - brotherbear - 04-16-2018
About the top Carnivora of the Russian Far East.
*Note: I would like to clarify that neither the tiger nor the grizzly truly rules the taiga of the R.F.E.
The relationship is for the most part a relationship of mutual respect. Even for the biggest and strongest grizzly in the forest, a tiger is nothing to play with. Those deeply curved claws are razor sharp and surprisingly as long as those of the great bear. The big cat's jaws and teeth outmatch those of the bear. And neither does the tiger relish fighting with a beast that has him outclassed in both weight and brute strength. The Russian wilderness is co-ruled by two mighty beasts.
RE: Tiger and Bear tale - Rishi - 05-28-2018
Text & images from Samanvay Bhutani's post in FB group Tigers of India:
With almost no rains last year at Ranthambhore, scarcity of water is posing threat to existance of varied species. This epic scene between two largest animals in RTR does portray a lot.
The sloth in search of water ended up near a waterhole where Noor and her 2 cubs made a kill and had spend a day or two here already, late in the evening while family enjoyed being in water, this nasty male sloth bear approached 2 cubs sitting, head-on with almost no sign of hesitation to fight, he did manage to scare them but got a similar response (Snarl and mild roar) from both cubs in almost charge mode, but cubs held back and he moved on further to drink water.
©Samanvay Bhutani May 27, 2018
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