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RE: The Matshapiri Males - T Rabbit - 06-30-2017
Maybe we are watching the last moments of matshapiri males!
The full maned matshapiri male is still missing after the fight against the majingilane males and the mohawk matshapiri was sighted being almost killed by buffalos.
"But something else was also going down in the midst of the herd. They were attempting to gouge something on the ground ... it was the injured Matshapiri male. The bulls nudged him around a bit before being satisfied that he was not a threat. In the end the other 4 lions [2 avocas and 2 kambulas] successfully brought down the injured bull. For the rest of the day they fed off the carcass with the injured Matshipiri male just watching from 10 meters away."
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RE: The Matshapiri Males - vinodkumarn - 06-30-2017
I hope the buffalo carcass will serve as a meal to Injured Matshapiri male when the other lines are away.
Also hoping that he will get away from the Hyenas around if the other lions are not around.
RE: The Matshapiri Males - sik94 - 06-30-2017
I don't think he will recover if he already hasn't. With all this activity of buffalo herds, other lions, and hyena activity, the matshpiri male is VERY lucky if he has managed get through all that unscathed. I would love it if we can see some footage of him walking, because if his leg is well and truly broken its game over.
RE: The Matshapiri Males - T Rabbit - 06-30-2017
(06-30-2017, 02:23 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: I hope the buffalo carcass will serve as a meal to Injured Matshapiri male when the other lines are away.
Also hoping that he will get away from the Hyenas around if the other lions are not around.
in the last report mala mala said that the hyenas could even chased the avocas and kambulas away from the kill. so the matshapiri male has no chances in eat something from that kill.. his situation is critical...
RE: The Matshapiri Males - HouseOfLions - 06-30-2017
(06-29-2017, 05:34 PM)sik94 Wrote:The first time the Selati challenged the Mapogos, they got beat and pushed back. Everybody was relatively fine after that fight. PB was injured when he was caught alone and beaten by the Selati males. That was when Mak came to his rescue and saved him. Mak was still fine after that but PB was hurt. Mak left with PB becasue he didn't want to leave PB alone and - Mak was way too old for a full out fight!(06-29-2017, 10:00 AM)HouseOfLions Wrote:When the Selaties challenged the Mapogos, Mak and PB were carrying injuries and weren't able to help Mr T defend the territory. The Majinglanes need to stick together, avoid conflict, and be in 100% health to put up a good fight when a coalition actually challenges them. You are right in saying that that they are too old and it's inevitable they will be ousted sooner or later. This perfect condition is not being skin and bones, and make it a 3 vs fight instead of 2 or 1.(06-28-2017, 09:39 PM)sik94 Wrote:Sorry, I have to ask - What is "will go out the same way as the Mapogos" mean? That they were pushed out because they were very old and outnumbered? And what would the Mapogos have done in that instance? The only thing they could have done is fight and they did.(06-28-2017, 04:02 AM)T Rabbit Wrote:Come on man that's just fanaticism. There is no reason or necessity for the Majingalanes to be getting into scraps with young males even when they out number them. Looking big and bad is no achievement in the wild, the Majingalanes are very strategic and this very trait has allowed them to be as successful as they are. These guys need to be in perfect condition for the time when a coalition actually throws down the gauntlet, or they will go out the same way as the Mapogos. These males are not "Crazy to kill some one!" as you put it.(06-26-2017, 04:40 AM)Tshokwane Wrote: This was just posted on Malamala's instagram, about an hour ago.
TODAY: June 25th. Wow, what a day... we woke up to a magically misty morning in the bushveld and things got exciting quickly. We'd planned to follow up on the Treehouse male leopard with his impala kill from last night but on the way our plans changed. The sound of lions roaring thundered through the blanket of mist. It was coming from 3 different locations and upon following up on the closest audio we discovered a young 'Avoca' male, walking at a brisk pace south of our airstrip. He crossed the Sand River eastwards and then met up with the other 'Avoca' male. They were on a mission and started jogging northwards. We followed them for some distance before losing visual. Whilst trying to relocate the coalition we happened upon 2 leopards being harassed by hyenas near Campbell Koppies! It was the Senegal Bush male and the Piccadilly female. We viewed them mate several times as they moved through the koppies. Things got even more interesting when they noticed something to their south- a Matshapiri male lion. Their 'shock' was short-lived as it was the injured male- in a show of what could be perceived as arrogance, the leopards just strolled past him. The lion is in very bad shape and the mating pair deemed him not to be a threat as they carried on their way. The other Matshapiri male lion was seen soon after in front of Main Camp. The 2 young 'Avoca' males were seen again this evening and they were moving north towards the area of the Matshapiri males. As I type this update I can hear lions fighting and roaring east of Main Camp.
If you follow their instagram, you will see in their stories the two Avoca males on their walk and also the Mohawk Matshapiri male, who is skin and bones.
I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow we have news of at least one lion killed or at least injured.
mala mala now discovered that the majingilane males are trying to kill the healthier matshapiri male: this is the continuation of the last mala mala article that you posted:
" "We were abruptly awoken just before 5am by the deafening roars of lions in front of Main Camp... As we followed up we came across the 2 Avoca males and 2 lionesses from the Kambula pride, walking westwards at a brisk pace. By the looks of it these lions had not taken part in the overnight brawl as they were free of fresh battle-scars. Tracks of 2 large male lions were located coming into MalaMala from the west, just north of our Airstrip and they were making a bee-line to the area in which the separated Matshipiri males were last seen. Although we never located the makers of the tracks, odds are it was most likely the Manyelethi males!...This leads us to believe that the fight we heard was between the fuller-maned Matshipiri male and 2 of the Manyelethi males."
the majingilane males are crazy to kill some one! they are doing their legendary history in sabin sands yet!
And let's not forget, the Mapogos did put a beating on the Selati males first. After that, PB was caught alone and battered. If it weren't for Mak coming in and saving him, he could have been a goner. And even after Mak and PB went out, Mak still put a beating on the KNP males - And he did this all at the age of 14!
And what is this perfect condition? They are all 12/13 years old, cut down to 3. There is NOTHING left here. They can delay the inevitable but in the end, they will be kicked out
So as you can see, the Mapogos and Selati males had multiple encounters which lead to the defeat of the old Mapogos. The Manginjis are in the same situation now. If they are attacked by BBoys or even a coalition of 2 in their prime, they might be able to fight back but only for a few confrontatons. In the end, they will be beaten and pushed out.
Being 100%, which they are not, has almost zero relevance here. They are 12/13 years old and they cannot sustain amd recover quick enough from continuous injuries like young male lions can.
That is why when you said "the same way as the Mapogos" didn't make sense because that is exactly how these guys will go out! Fighting off one attack does not mean anything because the the newer males will be attacking relentlessly . These guys can't keep up with that anymore!
RE: The Matshapiri Males - sik94 - 07-02-2017
I completely agree with you that in a multiple encounter situtuation the Majingalanes will go out and all they can do is delay the inevitable. I am hoping that they be careful on their forrays into Londolozi and MalaMala and avoid fights, stay out of the unstable central Sabi Sands. Sit tight in the western block and wait for the challenging coalition to come to them and be in the best shape they can be to put it in a good first showing in the first encounter. That will buy them a few more months and who knows they might just make it through their 8th year.
RE: The Matshapiri Males - lioncrazy - 07-02-2017
Any recent sightings of these brothers
RE: The Matshapiri Males - Tshokwane - 07-02-2017
(07-02-2017, 03:00 AM)lioncrazy Wrote: Any recent sightings of these brothers
Well, the mohawk male is right there on malamala. He's starving, he can't move because of the broken leg.
And his brother hasn't been seen for a while now.
RE: The Matshapiri Males - HouseOfLions - 07-03-2017
(07-02-2017, 01:07 AM)sik94 Wrote: I completely agree with you that in a multiple encounter situtuation the Majingalanes will go out and all they can do is delay the inevitable. I am hoping that they be careful on their forrays into Londolozi and MalaMala and avoid fights, stay out of the unstable central Sabi Sands. Sit tight in the western block and wait for the challenging coalition to come to them and be in the best shape they can be to put it in a good first showing in the first encounter. That will buy them a few more months and who knows they might just make it through their 8th year.
I agree with you and this is exactly what I have been saying.
My only problem was "the same was as the Mapogos"! Because that is EXACTLY how they will be going out!
Glad you understand!
RE: The Matshapiri Males - Chris - 07-04-2017
Any reports on the healthier male?
RE: The Matshapiri Males - Tshokwane - 07-06-2017
Credits to Londolozi Blog.
Without A Line in The Water You Won’t Catch Anything: by Rob Jeffery.
I grew up fishing along the coastline of Cape Agulhas, where the warm Mozambique current meets the cold Benguela current at the southern most tip of Africa. My father is an avid and incredibly skilled fisherman. Time after time I’ll cast within meters of his line and time after time I’ll be carrying his fish home in the evening. He tells a story of when he was growing up fishing along the same coastline and being such a keen fisherman he would go out morning, noon and night. Heading out one day after lunch a friend said to him, “James, you know the fish don’t bite midday. Where are you going with your fishing rod?” Like game drives, morning and evening are thought to be the best fishing times. Smiling, he replied as always, “time and tide wait for no man” and headed out anyway. Lo and behold (I’m sure you have guessed where this story is going) he returned with an enormous mussel-cracker fish… Or so his story goes.
Last week Bruce Arnott and I found ourselves in just that position, meandering around the beautiful Northern section of Londolozi at midday. We had decided to spend the whole day out in the bush, intending only to return for a brief lunch back at camp.
As rangers in training, we are encouraged to spend as much time as possible out in the bush to immerse ourselves in the wilderness, to learn about our environment and to become increasingly aware of our surroundings. Spotting animals, identifying birds, recognising smells and sounds like the bark of a bushbuck as it spots a leopard, the sound of an ox pecker overhead alerting one to the potential presence of buffalo or giraffe.
A group of red-billed ox peckers feed on some ticks found on the coat of this giraffe bull. These birds help to pull ticks off other species such as rhino, buffalo and impala.
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After a fun morning out, we were heading in the direction of camp. With Bruce at that helm we climbed out of the Manyaleti River and came into a clearing. We were met by a large herd of impala and wildebeest huddled closely together, about 100m away, all staring in our direction, ears perked forward.
We slowed our pace, looking around for the cause of the apparent unease. Then we understood. From out of the bush, between us and the herds of antelope, walked a large, weathered, dark-maned lion.
The lion kept walking out into the clearing seeming to be completely oblivious to the two large herds of antelope gathered about fifty meters from him, frantically alarm calling at him as if to say, “we see you, there’s really no point in hunting us now”. Some of the braver wildebeest even ran in closer to get a better view of the lion as he walked around in circles, sniffing the ground.
An impala ram stands alert, looking towards the approaching threat. These antelope will sometimes even approach the predator because typically if they know where the threat is coming from they are unlikely to be caught.
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After doing a stop start, snaking loop around the area, the lion slowly started heading towards the herd, still supposedly disinterested in their presence. We decided to move into a better position, hoping to get the lion walking right past our vehicle as we expected him to soon find a suitable resting spot in some nearby shade.
As we hoped, the Matshipiri male walked right past us. He disappeared around the back of our vehicle and as we turned, we saw him amble out toward the herd of impala just behind us, who were still anxiously keeping an eye on him. Then suddenly, he looked up and ran forward, disappearing out of sight behind a small thicket. Through the brush, Bruce caught a glimpse of him again and noticed something in his mouth. We rounded the tree and to our disbelief saw, clenched in his jaws, a large impala ram!
The Matshipiri male lion drags the impala from the clearing towards a thicket. Despite the entire herd alarming at this lion, this particular impala was caught unawares.
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The male lion dragged the impala right past our vehicle, allowing us this close up view of his quarry.
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We watched in as much surprise as the rest of the herd of impala as this unfortunate, and seemingly dozy ram was dragged off by the lion. The herd had been alarming at him for ages, he had applied no stealth and yet he had managed to catch one. We couldn’t quite believe it.
Did he just happen to find himself close enough to the impala and tried his luck? Or was he intentionally ignoring the antelope, edging closer and closer, without causing them to dart off, until he was in perfect position? There is a common misconception that male lions don’t hunt and that lions hunt only at night. This male had proven both of these fallacies wrong in one fell swoop.
He had also reminded us that no matter the time of the day, you should always have a line in the water, so to speak, because as was proven to us, you always stand a chance of seeing something amazing out here when you least expect it.
RE: The Matshapiri Males - Pckts - 07-06-2017
That is very unusual for Impala, they are very alert, that's a rare catch for a lion, especially a male.
Nice Find
RE: The Matshapiri Males - lioncrazy - 07-06-2017
Was that a recent story of the healthy matshipri?anyone.know just curious about his whereabouts recently
RE: The Matshapiri Males - vinodkumarn - 07-06-2017
(07-06-2017, 12:50 AM)lioncrazy Wrote: Was that a recent story of the healthy matshipri?anyone.know just curious about his whereabouts recently
Nope.. little while ago.. It's not recent
RE: The Matshapiri Males - leocrest - 07-06-2017
That londolozi story occurred during the last week of June. So, that's right before or after the brawl with the majis.