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RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-28-2022 (01-28-2022, 04:00 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:(01-28-2022, 03:50 AM)Pckts Wrote:(01-28-2022, 03:27 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:(01-28-2022, 01:59 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(01-27-2022, 11:34 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: I have this picture here. I took a pic from a study when i was looking at some other study topics. Im trying to find the study but for now i have just a picture. Here is a lion with a Claw length of 8.1 cm using pixel scaling. Was already quoted to be a large one... The sheath of the claw has been pulled from the knuckle bone, so it cannot be considered as the natural length. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - SpinoRex - 01-28-2022 (01-28-2022, 05:36 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-28-2022, 04:00 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:(01-28-2022, 03:50 AM)Pckts Wrote:(01-28-2022, 03:27 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:(01-28-2022, 01:59 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:(01-27-2022, 11:34 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: I have this picture here. I took a pic from a study when i was looking at some other study topics. Im trying to find the study but for now i have just a picture. Here is a lion with a Claw length of 8.1 cm using pixel scaling. Was already quoted to be a large one... I was talking about the african lion claws RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - acutidens150 - 01-28-2022 (01-27-2022, 07:02 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(01-16-2022, 04:08 PM)acutidens150 Wrote:(08-04-2015, 10:57 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: A 17 inches fossilized skull of the Barbary lion, and I think we might re-evaluate the size of this animal, since it looks as large as the Cave lion.I think that this as @GuateGojira here said, needs to be measured "in a straight line". Also, I suspect that this particular skull belongs to to an adult male from the wild. As @GuateGojira has mentioned, obviously, the Tower of London specimens were captive. Therefore, it is interesting to have a wild specimen. I think it is a Barbary lion skull, it is almost identical to the Tower of London collection's skulls, except for the teeth, but I'm sure that's a result of how old the skull is. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - Dark Jaguar - 01-28-2022 Jaguar skull as a decoration item at a lodge in South Pantanal - MS - Brazil photo: Fernando Quevedo ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - GuateGojira - 01-28-2022 (01-28-2022, 02:59 PM)acutidens150 Wrote: I think it is a Barbary lion skull, it is almost identical to the Tower of London collection's skulls, except for the teeth, but I'm sure that's a result of how old the skull is. Nop, it is not. In fact, I was checking the skull in the original page it it looks more like an American "lion" than to a modern lion at all. Also, the information that they share about the skull, the guy from the webpage says that is 100,000 years ago! How in hell could he got a Barbary lion skull from 100,000 years ago? Which are the posibilities? Check the image: ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author How he can say that this "subspecies" evolved at 100,000 years ago and latter he says that this particular skull is also from 100,000 years ago? There are no Paleontological studies in Morocco or anything around that area, not focused in Pleistocene mammals at least, so this story do not make sence and is certainly false. Also, he claim that Barbary lions were of the same size as American cave "lions", that is a nonesense and support my view that IF this skull is real, that is from Panthera atrox (and a small one, as the length that he report is incorrectly taken), again IF is real. The more I check this entire history and check the specimen, the more I see that all this looks like an scam. That huge collection of "fossils", how he get them? Who is (or are) his scientific advisor? Did he has calibration methods and devices to check the age of the specimens? We need to make this questions about the specimens from this type of webpages. Like I said, if you check the entire story about how he got the skull, it looks to good to be real. Please read it, the link is in the upper part of the image. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - GuateGojira - 01-28-2022 (01-28-2022, 03:54 AM)Pckts Wrote: It’s not a matter of taking the word or not but understanding if it’s over the curves or not, this is very important. The odds of none of the captive Amurs used not being close to the same size as Mazaks Tigers are slim, the data base is quite large. I clearly said that the measurement is on the curve of the claw, many times. Did you read that part? To confirm, in the book "Der Tiger", page 30 (I have the book of 2013, which is the reprint of the edition of 1983, in German), he says "The claw length can reach 80 to 100 mm measured on the outer curve". He put the same in his document of 1981: ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author So yes, he did measured claws of tigers, and the measuremnt was taken over the curve, like I said before. I don't think that many captive Amur tigers reached the sizes of "Amur" the large tiger of Prague, that was a real giant. Gamin and Kistora were heavy and tall, but are they large overall too, with large paws? Did you know they measurements and how they compare with the two tigers called "Amur" from Prague and Duisburg zoo? That will be interesting to know. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - Pckts - 01-28-2022 (01-28-2022, 06:41 PM)GuateGojira Wrote:(01-28-2022, 03:54 AM)Pckts Wrote: It’s not a matter of taking the word or not but understanding if it’s over the curves or not, this is very important. The odds of none of the captive Amurs used not being close to the same size as Mazaks Tigers are slim, the data base is quite large. Maybe it got lost in the translation but I didn’t see you clearly state it. Regardless, we agree, it’s over the curves. In regards to Gamin and Kistora, I know Kistora was actually taller than the Duisburg male. Kistora being 44” at the shoulder and Gamin had a 14.1cm pugmark. Unfortunately the details of protocol are lacking but Craig is generally open to share if asked. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - epaiva - 01-29-2022 Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curve Attached pictures of the large one I have here in my collection ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 01-29-2022 (01-29-2022, 03:17 AM)epaiva Wrote: Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curve I think it is also slightly pulled from the knuckle bone. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - Pckts - 01-29-2022 (01-29-2022, 03:17 AM)epaiva Wrote: Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curveI wonder how much those 7-8cm claws are over the curves? RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - SpinoRex - 01-29-2022 (01-29-2022, 04:11 AM)Pckts Wrote:(01-29-2022, 03:17 AM)epaiva Wrote: Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curveI wonder how much those 7-8cm claws are over the curves? That completely depends. Based on the infos from the lion claws it should be definetely over 10cm. RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - SpinoRex - 01-29-2022 I found some informations of (Indochinese/bengals?) tigers. I will just post the normal pictures because the websites include some really hard pictures. The following images below may be upsetting to some viewers. Quote:https://speakupforthevoiceless.wordpress.com/tag/tiger-claw/ Gender of the Specimen not mentioned The Skull, Canines and Teeth ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author Claw ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author Canine ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - SpinoRex - 01-29-2022 (01-29-2022, 03:17 AM)epaiva Wrote: Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curve Wait... Thats the same claw i posted before LOL. *This image is copyright of its original author Thank you for sharing! RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - epaiva - 01-29-2022 (01-29-2022, 10:10 PM)SpinoRex Wrote:(01-29-2022, 03:17 AM)epaiva Wrote: Larger African Lion claws they were selling at the time about 20 years back measured 10 centimeters around the outside curve Yes you are right I have them here RE: Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws - epaiva - 01-29-2022 African Lion claws ![]() *This image is copyright of its original author
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