(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing

(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing

Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the " "). There is nothing to make a fuss about, please swallow your susceptibility, thank you.

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(06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing

Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the " "). There is nothing to make a fuss about, please swallow your susceptibility, thank you.

The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.

Spalea wrote:
From you’re posts, I would belive you have Discoverd the biggest wild felid on earth ! ? 

But if I misunderstod I apologise, I’m just saying that if you disagree with anything and you decide to say something just say what you mean is wrong and start a better discussion. That’s what I thought. But since I was wrong I deeply apologise.  
BTW I think there are bigger tigers in Terrai and Assam. Uma is very big, but I didn’t think that big myself, but when you hear about MV2 195 kg (2 years) and Bheema 220 kg (2,5 years) I actually need to look at him as bigger than I thought!

(06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing

Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the " "). There is nothing to make a fuss about, please swallow your susceptibility, thank you.

The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.

Spalea wrote:
From you’re posts, I would belive you have Discoverd the biggest wild felid on earth ! ? 

But if I misunderstod I apologise, I’m just saying that if you disagree with anything and you decide to say something just say what you mean is wrong and start a better discussion. That’s what I thought. But since I was wrong I deeply apologise.  
BTW I think there are bigger tigers in Terrai and Assam. Uma is very big, but I didn’t think that big myself, but when you hear about MV2 195 kg (2 years) and Bheema 220 kg (2,5 years) I actually need to look at him as bigger than I thought!

(06-21-2018, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !

Are you refering to me?

To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important !

Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing

Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the " "). There is nothing to make a fuss about, please swallow your susceptibility, thank you.

The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.

Spalea wrote:
From you’re posts, I would belive you have Discoverd the biggest wild felid on earth ! ? 

But if I misunderstod I apologise, I’m just saying that if you disagree with anything and you decide to say something just say what you mean is wrong and start a better discussion. That’s what I thought. But since I was wrong I deeply apologise.  
BTW I think there are bigger tigers in Terrai and Assam. Uma is very big, but I didn’t think that big myself, but when you hear about MV2 195 kg (2 years) and Bheema 220 kg (2,5 years) I actually need to look at him as bigger than I thought!

I've heard much bigger than these measurements:

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180kg tigress in front of him, he's said to be over 345kg Tiger, weighed!

The source is good to, others here can confirm it.

(06-22-2018, 06:19 AM)peter Wrote: SIZE OF INDIAN TIGERS 

A century ago

A century ago, the region just south of the Himalayas produced the longest tigers (total length measured 'over curves'). Chitwan tigers topped the list. Assam tigers shot in the same period, although shorter, were heavier than those shot in northern India, but the Maharajah of Cooch Behar weighed nearly all of his tigers, whereas Sir John Hewett's didn't (his machine broke down too often). 

The tigers he wasn't able to weigh were significantly longer than those he weighed. Not a few of them were described as 'heavy' or 'very heavy'. Back then, there was a distinct relation between total length and weight in Indian tigers in that long tigers were (relatively) heavier than shorter tigers. The difference was about 6-7 pounds per inch. My guess is it was a result of age foremost.  

If he had been able to weigh all tigers he shot, Hewett's average for northern India would have well exceeded that of Assam. Although the average for Assam males was 461 pounds, 450-455 would have been closer to the mark. The reason was a number of 'gorged' tigers. Based on what I had, I got to 475-490 (closer to 490) for northern India and a bit more for Nepal.

Today

Many moons later, 7 males captured in Chitwan averaged 520 pounds. Although the average was adjusted later, I decided for 520 in order to be able to compare tigers shot a century ago with those captured in the seventies and eighties of the last century.

The comparison I did says there's not much to choose between back then and today for (total) length, but tigers weighed in the last decades were heavier than a century ago. Based on what I have, I'd say that the difference is 20-40 pounds at the level of averages, maybe even a bit more in regions with large tigers.

To be more concrete. The averages today (males of 6 years and older), depending on region and the local conditions, could range between 420-520 pounds. As exceptional individuals exceed the 'normal' maximum by 25-35%, males well exceeding 600 pounds can be expected in northern India and Nepal every now and then. The heaviest shot in unmolested Nepal (705 pounds) was 10.9 'over curves' in total length. My guess is that tigers of that size are still around. The problem is the scales used by biologists. That and a lack of experience in darting exceptional individuals.   

Exceptional individuals  

Tigers in northeastern India might top the table for skulls. A century ago, skulls of large males ranged between 360-400 mm. (greatest total length). The photographs and videos I saw suggest they (males and females) still have more rounded and larger skulls than elsewhere. Different breed, so it seems.

Exceptional individuals are most often seen in large and healthy ecosystems. The larger the system, the better the chance to see an exceptional tiger. Seen in this light, the region just south of the Himalayas (all the way from Rajaji to Kazirangha) and southwestern India (Western Ghats) still top the list. Central India has a chance when reserves will be connected. Tigers need a lot of space. 

Based on what I know, I'd say that northern India is the region to visit if you're interested in large tigers. The Rajaji tiger is the largest I saw, but the reserves just east of Rajaji (up to and including Dudhwa) also have a number of large tigers. Same for Chitwan, of course. Tigers in northeastern India often appear to be more massive, but they most probably are shorter and not as tall. The big skull also can result in a bit of distortion.  

Arunachal Pradesh

I'm very interested in the situation close to the China border (Arunachal Pradesh). Authorities said that two captive, but wild-caught, tigers (male and female) were quite different from your typical Indian tiger: different coat (less stripes), more aggressive and larger all the way. Elephant hunters? 

I read quite a few books written by people in the know who spent their days in northeastern India. Not a few of them said that male tigers in that part of India were following elephants. They often found remains of youngsters killed and eaten by tigers. Could that culture have resulted in specialisation?

Far-fetched? There are reliable reports about lions hunting elephants in some regions of southern Africa and tigers hunting rhinos (including adult females) in northeastern India. Time to read a bit more about the fauna in that part of India, I think. Which large mammals are seen in elevated regions in northeastern India?