(07-28-2023, 09:10 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Who's the first Matimba on the right? It's the only I've never seen identified in this photo.

(07-28-2023, 09:10 AM)Mapokser Wrote: And in this photo below, is it Hairy Belly looking to the camera or is it WF?

(07-28-2023, 09:10 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @"Timbavati" 

Who's the first Matimba on the right? It's the only I've never seen identified in this photo.

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And in this photo below, is it Hairy Belly looking to the camera or is it WF?

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(07-28-2023, 07:37 PM)Zigzag Wrote:

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ZigZag Scar Mbiri male lion
KNP, Orpen Gate, early morning
Credit: Wildlife Echo
Northern Matimba legacy

(07-28-2023, 08:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Saw this comment on a post about this sighting .   Interesting to see who could it have been

(07-28-2023, 08:12 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(07-28-2023, 08:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Saw this comment on a post about this sighting .   Interesting to see who could it have been

Maybe those scars on Mandevu are new, and not from RRM fight?

(07-28-2023, 08:32 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Guides told me Mandevu had scars on his back immediately after his fight w RRR and the Nharu.  

This incident seems to have happened in last day or so.

(07-29-2023, 01:38 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @"Timbavati" so the roaring and fighting reported was also from last month?

(07-21-2023, 11:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: but after being injured and ousted by Matshipiri, becoming nomads and getting in other fights with Avocas, getting limps and what not, they were never the same again.

(08-05-2023, 11:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(07-21-2023, 11:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: but after being injured and ousted by Matshipiri, becoming nomads and getting in other fights with Avocas, getting limps and what not, they were never the same again.

S. Matimbas weren't injured or ousted by the Mathshipiris.  Did they even actually fight?  IIRC there was some chasing back and forth with the Matimbas eventually retreating back to their territory.  They lost the chance to expand and control the Ntsevus, but didn't lose any territory or prides (I think by that point they only controlled the Tsalalas.)

BBoys moved South and the Matimbas went nomadic after a very short resistance.  I don't think they fought the Mathshipiris or BBoys, just chasing and roaring battles.  They weren't injured until they became nomads.

Tsalala Pride was the biggest "loser" as it has never recovered from the BBoys invasion.  Hopefully the Princess will be able to do what her great grandmother Bibi once did and the Southern Pride lioness is currently doing.  Regardless, the bloodline is still going strong with the Manghenis & Kambulas.

(08-12-2023, 11:41 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(08-05-2023, 11:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(07-21-2023, 11:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: but after being injured and ousted by Matshipiri, becoming nomads and getting in other fights with Avocas, getting limps and what not, they were never the same again.

S. Matimbas weren't injured or ousted by the Mathshipiris.  Did they even actually fight?  IIRC there was some chasing back and forth with the Matimbas eventually retreating back to their territory.  They lost the chance to expand and control the Ntsevus, but didn't lose any territory or prides (I think by that point they only controlled the Tsalalas.)

BBoys moved South and the Matimbas went nomadic after a very short resistance.  I don't think they fought the Mathshipiris or BBoys, just chasing and roaring battles.  They weren't injured until they became nomads.

Tsalala Pride was the biggest "loser" as it has never recovered from the BBoys invasion.  Hopefully the Princess will be able to do what her great grandmother Bibi once did and the Southern Pride lioness is currently doing.  Regardless, the bloodline is still going strong with the Manghenis & Kambulas.

They were. After getting ousted by Bboys from the north, Matimbas established territory in Londolozi in 2015, took over Tsalala pride and ruled as dominant males for 1,5 years, having many encounters with Majingilanes and at least 2 encounters with Matshapiris where they chased Matshapiris off.

Then in early 2017 the Matimbas suddenly went nomadic again, Matshapiris took over their territory and they were seen apart, with HB having a bad hindlimb when he was seen in Bboy territory being confronted by Nsuku over a carcass. I don't remember how Ginger's condition was, but the understanding at the time was that at least one of them got caught by Matshapiris which caused HB's limp and they going nomadic.