The Charleston Males and Their Male Lineage

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RE: The Charleston Males - Skybed - 10-11-2016

regarding post #156

"He is instantly recognisable and has become a real sensation since the incident, and many people have been of the opinion that this awkward looking injury and the lack of a fourth canine would hinder his ability to thrive as a dominant male lion in his territory, but as always, nature has proved just how adaptable it is!"

Love the way the author puts everything in place. Lion's ability and speed of recovery from injuries has always amazed me :)

RE: The Charleston Males - Tshokwane - 10-11-2016

(10-10-2016, 11:05 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Ngala:

About#164: I believe this is the first time I see a male lion playing like that with a cub. To put up with the cubs' mischiefs, yes, but to roll over with a cub...

It goes to show that we can never know enough about wild animals.

The other day I was having a discussion with @BoldChamp and others in @"SVTIGRIS" Google+ group All About Big Cats.

So, the talk there in a poll between a showdown between Raja and Caesar of the Notch coalition, was that "studies show this, study show that".

The thing is that, in my experience, and it seems in your case Spalea is the same, what the studies said was that male lions don't play a part in the rearing of cubs, that they barely tolerated cubs, etc.

And yet, what does real, wild lions show? A very different picture.

Sure, there are some more grumpy with the cubs, and yet there are many others that are extremely tolerant and even playful, like the Old Notch, Makhulu from the Mapogos, Dark Mane and Hip Scar Majingilane, the Kruger males that raised these Charleston males, a couple of Birmingham males, particularly #3 and I think #1 is a good father as well and now both of the Charleston males.

This is why I prefer to focus in this kind of things, rather than in 20 or 30 years old studies who are great in a lot of things, but very limited in other aspects.

RE: The Charleston Males - Spalea - 10-12-2016

@Majingilane:

About #167: I'm quite agree with what you told.

The lions, and all the other felids, being evolved animals, have some multiple personalities and it is always problematic to sum up their behaviour as if it was a mathematic demonstration on a blackboard with only one result ("according to the variables A, B and C, then the unknown X in the presence of the unknown Y would do that, or would react like this. It's an absolute fact, full stop."). Even the animals personalities are not reducible. And that is fine !

Being evolved they could not be simplified like that by any scientific studies . Since I read the "wildfact" topics about lions, I learnt that male lions are able to adopt a very paternal neighbour with their cubs, and are very active big preys hunters both by opportunism and if the circumstances require it. That, I have learnt it by the photos and videos that are posted, that you posted. The picture is worth more than multiple words, and assertions. And we can question it. Of course nothing like research from the trenches. After come the pictures. And finally the words.

Very often the truth of the ground and pictures contradicts that of the books and studies.

We noticed (about the male lions abilities of hunting), you and me, a few months ago that the male lion depiction was very negative. Because during the actual period we cross, it is fashionable to denigrate the paternal picture, especially as concerns a wild animal for which the male being very different from the female, is often perceived as being macho.

RE: The Charleston Males - Gamiz - 10-12-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve
The Charleston males were interrupted by a passing hippo whilst taking a morning nap.

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RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-14-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:
"Some of the Southern Pride and Charleston males enjoy a catnap under the watchful eye of some rhino!"

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RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-17-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:
"We couldn’t have asked for a more beautiful setting over the open plains, watching the sun set as the lions were resting – with exception of the cubs - after finishing off their buffalo kill."

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RE: The Charleston Males - Skybed - 10-17-2016

@Ngala regarding post #170

Looking at the pictures, it dawns on me that I have not seen lions bringing down a rhino. Are they really too hot to handle for lions?

RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-17-2016

(10-17-2016, 06:24 PM)Skybed Wrote: @Ngala regarding post #170

Looking at the pictures, it dawns on me that I have not seen lions bringing down a rhino. Are they really too hot to handle for lions?

Is not very common that lions take down an adult rhino, however it can happen. Rhino are aggressive and powerful, he is very massive and agile, and take down is not simple.

This is a thread that can provide you some information about lion predation on rhinos: Lion predation on the African Black Rhinoceros

RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-18-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:
"The two Charleston males were resting along with one Southern Pride female last night and this morning they were found on a fresh buffalo kill!"

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RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-19-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:
"We watched yesterday evening as the Charleston males slowly began to wake, before moving towards the buffalo they had killed the night before. A short distance away, the Southern Pride were resting, with the cubs getting up to their usual tricks!"

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RE: The Charleston Males - Gamiz - 10-21-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve
The two Charleston males were with two females this morning, moving fast through the reserve until they found a nice thicket to rest in.

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RE: The Charleston Males - Skybed - 10-21-2016

@Ngala regarding post #175 & 174

spectacular photos tfs particularly these two

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RE: The Charleston Males - Tshokwane - 10-24-2016

Credits to Kevan Dobbie - Sabi Sabi.

Magnificent lions.

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RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-26-2016

From Sabi Sabi Private Game Reserve:
"The two Charleston males covered quite an impressive distance last night and were found this morning ambling back towards the females and cubs whereupon the Southern Pride put on a beautiful display of affection towards each other, reaffirming their family bonds."

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RE: The Charleston Males - Ngala - 10-26-2016

Mazino from Londolozi Game Reserve, Photographic Journal: Lucid Light by Sean Cresswell.