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RE: Avoca male lions - sik94 - 12-28-2019
(12-28-2019, 07:58 AM)Blondemane Wrote: Sik94 thats a old pic from Ep page. App you didnt have the opp to read the post from the ranger who witnessed the fight, that blood came from Mohawk mouth, he bit his own tongue, all you see in his face is cuts from NK claws while he was on ground, even lioness will do that when they fight with males over food. Serious was if he bited his spine, leg, that can cause damage.
All that blood isn't from a bitten tongue, if that was the case he would be just drooling blood. In a 1 on 1 fight getting to the spine is nearly impossible, the NK male did very well in this altercation. Lionesses usually don't do this kind of damage, his face is full of blood and his front legs seems scratched up and swollen. NK was untouched, he was on safarlive the drive after and there wasn't a scratch on him.
RE: Avoca male lions - Blondemane - 12-28-2019
lol you gotta show me that drive... mohawk was on drive after that, Nk was in EP and Arathusa for a couple of weeks. no matter what you say i believe in rangers words, this convo is useless...
RE: Avoca male lions - sik94 - 12-28-2019
Finding the drive would probably take a bit of sifting through footage which I don't feel like doing right now. I quite clearly remember James talking about this incident and he was very surprised at how normal NK looked afterwards.
RE: Avoca male lions - sik94 - 12-28-2019
(12-28-2019, 09:27 AM)Blondemane Wrote: lol you gotta show me that drive... mohawk was on drive after that, Nk was in EP and Arathusa for a couple of weeks. no matter what you say i believe in rangers words, this convo is useless...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5SXz8k1N7Q
safariLIVE - Sunrise Safari - June 27, 2019
at 01:56:00 Tristan talks about it. Apparently NK was full of blood and had no puncture wounds indicating it was mohawk's blood.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 12-28-2019
That fight happen in June i think, NK boy didnt have any bigger punctured wounds, he was just limping few weeks after the fight. Its most likely that Mohawk did bite his own tounge, because yes NK boy did do some scratches on his face, but most of this blood was pouring out of his nose and mouth.
RE: Avoca male lions - sik94 - 12-28-2019
We can disagree about the specifics but NK clearly did a great job considering his age, that's all.
RE: Avoca male lions - Blondemane - 12-29-2019
One of the Avoca males watches as his brother chases a younger male in a display of dominance! 29-12-19
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RE: Avoca male lions - Blondemane - 12-30-2019
N. Avocas with Nks in Birmingham Boys territory, by MalaMala Lodge
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RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 12-31-2019
From the Kirkman's Kamp post:
"The two Avoca male lions have now been dominant across our concession for the better part of two years.
They effected the take over of the Eyrefield pride, and we believe they have at least one (perhaps even two) other prides of females in the east which they control.
It has been very interesting to watch the lion dynamics change in this area over the last while, and we look forward to what the future holds."
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So apperantly these boys have 1 or even 2 prides towards the east in Kruger. In the past Fourways pride was in that area east of Kirkmans /South MalaMala so maybe they control them.
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 12-31-2019
"So apperantly these boys have 1 or even 2 prides towards the east in Kruger. In the past Fourways pride was in that area east of Kirkmans /South MalaMala so maybe they control them."
To the east from them is Sand River pride, territory of Mantimahle. Lion prides adjust their movement the way to be closer towards their dominant males so if Avocas would take controll over Fourways pride them I am pretty sure we would very often see that pride in southern Mala Mala. If the indeed controll some pride outside Sabi Sand them I would rater look for it to the south of SS. Perpaps Avocas push to the south could be reason why in 2018 Charleston males came back to Sabi Sands clearly in intention to hunt down Avoca males. Perhaps after Mazino's death Avocas indeed expanded south pushing remaining Charleston males further west towards Phebani gate ( also could be that Charleston(s) expanded towards Phebani Gate and Avocas just filled vacum).
RE: Avoca male lions - Blondemane - 12-31-2019
S. Avoca in Tengile River, photo by: Dylan Royal 31-12-19
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RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 05:38 PM)Potato Wrote: To the east from them is Sand River pride, territory of Mantimahle. Lion prides adjust their movement the way to be closer towards their dominant males so if Avocas would take controll over Fourways pride them I am pretty sure we would very often see that pride in southern Mala Mala. If the indeed controll some pride outside Sabi Sand them I would rater look for it to the south of SS. Perpaps Avocas push to the south could be reason why in 2018 Charleston males came back to Sabi Sands clearly in intention to hunt down Avoca males. Perhaps after Mazino's death Avocas indeed expanded south pushing remaining Charleston males further west towards Phebani gate ( also could be that Charleston(s) expanded towards Phebani Gate and Avocas just filled vacum).
Sand River pride is not under Mantimahles anymore, they are currently nomadic pride of 8, 3 yrs old sub adults, recently where seen further south of Skukuza.
Charleston males territory was on the other side of Skukuza,south of Lion Sands, where are now 4 N'ws males, Avocas where never seen in that area whatsoever.
Rn west of Skukuza is territory of 4 N'ws males, south of Skukuza are DeLaporte males, east of Skukuza are Mantimahles, only territory that Avocas have in Kruger is northeast of Skukuza, area east of Kirkmans Kamp just as it says in this report.
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 12-31-2019
N'ws males are nomadic, they do not have their own territory.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 12-31-2019
(12-31-2019, 07:07 PM)Potato Wrote: N'ws males are nomadic, they do not have their own territory.
They where seen in that area for 4, 5 months now, even not dominant over pride i would call it their territory, because no other males are seen there since whatsoever.
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 12-31-2019
That is not enough to call that their territory. They do not roar which main signal of male lion claiming territory.