(04-02-2025, 08:22 AM)KM600 Wrote: Khanya dating with one of the Mhangenis, prolly same one in earlier video. His mane should start to fill out if he keeps this up.

(04-01-2025, 02:48 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:39 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 09:03 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 07:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Gijimas chasing Nkhulus over the river at Kirkmans Kamp:

Not sure who was all involved from Nkhulus, but we can see LM Gijima chasing atleast 3 Nkhulus over the river, by the looks of it, at the beginning in the bushes is Nkhulu #5 (Crocked Tail) spliting left, and another male spliting right (has a turf so its not Snip Tail), prob male #3.

Nkhulu running from LM over the river looks to be Smudge.

LM is such a crazy and bloodthirsty lion, even when they are going back thru river he is still looking back like he wants more action.

Hope his brother can follow him, as we see here, DM was quite behind, otherwise LM Gijima might be in trouble one day.

It was LM Gijima that turned back, while being chased, and pinned ST, he certainly doesn't lack for confidence, as they were being chased by three Nkhulus that time.

What time are u talking about? When they clashed 2vs6?

I had it wrong, it wasn't 3 Nkhulus, it was when they clashed 4vs2, they were all going back and forth, and eventually LM turned and charged at them, and pinned ST to the ground.

(04-01-2025, 03:17 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:49 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:45 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:14 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijima in Kruger, I was told that was after chasing Nkuhlu but I can't confirm it:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Regardless it seems Nkuhlu, even in their own territory, are no match for the Gijima as 2 or 3 males. They need a third brother to evenly compete with the Gijima.

I've said this before but this is the greatest rivarly I've ever seen by the sheer amount of clashes they had, they might have had over 10 encounters by now.

And while yeah, only 2 Nkuhlu are healthy, it's still very surprising how the Gijimas have been dominating most of these clashes. Nkuhlu were still 7, then 6, and now 5, with 2 prime healthy males and others who still have contributed in clashes despite not being at 100%.

While I still believe the high water mark for duos is the Ross Males, they will, likely, be the standard by which all others are judged, for their sheer success, for a long time to come. But the current crop of duos in Sabi Sands may well be the greatest we have seen, as far as battle born, battle proven, their ability to take on and fend off all challengers, coupled with their successes as pride males. Also, the fact that there are three sets, currently, and they all border one another's territories. I am not sure we have seen so many duos, simultaneously, that were all so dominant.

However, as I was thinking about these three groups, the other day, it got me thinking about Sabi Sands, and all of the legendary duos who have come from there. The Molwathis, the last two real Birminghams, two sets of Avocas, one at each end, the Thanda Impis,  just to name a few, the list goes on.

Yh, we can definetly appreciate the greatness of the lions we are currently witnessing. What did the Ross males accomplish to be the standard others are measured by?(don’t know anything about them)

I heard the mbiris are the most impressive duo of all time? 
Facts people mentioned were as followed 
-will reach 8y reign mid this year
-sired over 40 offspring 
-became dominant males at 3,5y
\only males to be documented dominant males at that age in even numbers (2vs2)
-chased 2 prime dominant Ross males at 3,5y old 
-chased 2 prime dominant mapoza males out of their own territory at 3,5y old 
-most fights and wins while outnumbered or in even numbers out of any documented coalition 
-beat prime Hercules and Sumatra and ousted them out of scorro pride 
-beat 2 huge H7 males 2vs2
-beat tinswalos aswell 

That’s what people say about the mbiris. Do the Ross males have a more impressive feats to show? 

Just curious as I don’t have any information about Ross males. 

Thanks in advance for reply ?

You don't know anything about the Ross Males, but you know so much about the males that, eventually, took over one of their prides?

(04-01-2025, 06:52 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:34 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote: Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands? 

Here we go...

Offspring of the 3 Sabi Sand duos

(04-01-2025, 02:25 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 06:52 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:34 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote: Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands? 

Here we go...

Offspring of the 3 Sabi Sand duos

Only 3 surviving Ndzhenga offsprings from Styx pride? Is Floppy Ear included? (even if he is sired by one of the other two now passed Ndzhengas he should imho count as their Southern daughters do)

Interesting. If we ass 6 lost cubs of Mhangeni and 3 lost cubs of Tsalala to PCM, we get to 21 which is comparable. Although we all know that PCMs are no without guilt as they weren't there for them when it mattered. At the same time the other two coalitions, Gijimas especially, still have high number count in "cubs" category and thus those have road ahead of them with no guarantee they'll make it, so numbers might get closer to each other in comparison when all is done and settled. Or not, perhaps the opposite, who knows.

(04-02-2025, 05:00 PM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 03:17 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:49 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:45 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:14 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijima in Kruger, I was told that was after chasing Nkuhlu but I can't confirm it:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Regardless it seems Nkuhlu, even in their own territory, are no match for the Gijima as 2 or 3 males. They need a third brother to evenly compete with the Gijima.

I've said this before but this is the greatest rivarly I've ever seen by the sheer amount of clashes they had, they might have had over 10 encounters by now.

And while yeah, only 2 Nkuhlu are healthy, it's still very surprising how the Gijimas have been dominating most of these clashes. Nkuhlu were still 7, then 6, and now 5, with 2 prime healthy males and others who still have contributed in clashes despite not being at 100%.

While I still believe the high water mark for duos is the Ross Males, they will, likely, be the standard by which all others are judged, for their sheer success, for a long time to come. But the current crop of duos in Sabi Sands may well be the greatest we have seen, as far as battle born, battle proven, their ability to take on and fend off all challengers, coupled with their successes as pride males. Also, the fact that there are three sets, currently, and they all border one another's territories. I am not sure we have seen so many duos, simultaneously, that were all so dominant.

However, as I was thinking about these three groups, the other day, it got me thinking about Sabi Sands, and all of the legendary duos who have come from there. The Molwathis, the last two real Birminghams, two sets of Avocas, one at each end, the Thanda Impis,  just to name a few, the list goes on.

Yh, we can definetly appreciate the greatness of the lions we are currently witnessing. What did the Ross males accomplish to be the standard others are measured by?(don’t know anything about them)

I heard the mbiris are the most impressive duo of all time? 
Facts people mentioned were as followed 
-will reach 8y reign mid this year
-sired over 40 offspring 
-became dominant males at 3,5y
\only males to be documented dominant males at that age in even numbers (2vs2)
-chased 2 prime dominant Ross males at 3,5y old 
-chased 2 prime dominant mapoza males out of their own territory at 3,5y old 
-most fights and wins while outnumbered or in even numbers out of any documented coalition 
-beat prime Hercules and Sumatra and ousted them out of scorro pride 
-beat 2 huge H7 males 2vs2
-beat tinswalos aswell 

That’s what people say about the mbiris. Do the Ross males have a more impressive feats to show? 

Just curious as I don’t have any information about Ross males. 

Thanks in advance for reply ?

You don't know anything about the Ross Males, but you know so much about the males that, eventually, took over one of their prides?

Exactly
The information about lions comes mainly from u guys. Be it here or YouTube. So plenty people have mentioned a lot of infos about the mbiris. Especially with mandevus death, a lot of people came to talk about mbiris. 

Till now I haven’t come across a lot of infos about Ross males though. Since u seem to know a lot about the ross males, I would appreciate if u enlighten me with some facts about them. 

Asking questions like this is how I got 99% of my knowledge about lions.

(04-02-2025, 07:10 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-02-2025, 05:00 PM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 03:17 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:49 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:45 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(03-31-2025, 10:14 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijima in Kruger, I was told that was after chasing Nkuhlu but I can't confirm it:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Regardless it seems Nkuhlu, even in their own territory, are no match for the Gijima as 2 or 3 males. They need a third brother to evenly compete with the Gijima.

I've said this before but this is the greatest rivarly I've ever seen by the sheer amount of clashes they had, they might have had over 10 encounters by now.

And while yeah, only 2 Nkuhlu are healthy, it's still very surprising how the Gijimas have been dominating most of these clashes. Nkuhlu were still 7, then 6, and now 5, with 2 prime healthy males and others who still have contributed in clashes despite not being at 100%.

While I still believe the high water mark for duos is the Ross Males, they will, likely, be the standard by which all others are judged, for their sheer success, for a long time to come. But the current crop of duos in Sabi Sands may well be the greatest we have seen, as far as battle born, battle proven, their ability to take on and fend off all challengers, coupled with their successes as pride males. Also, the fact that there are three sets, currently, and they all border one another's territories. I am not sure we have seen so many duos, simultaneously, that were all so dominant.

However, as I was thinking about these three groups, the other day, it got me thinking about Sabi Sands, and all of the legendary duos who have come from there. The Molwathis, the last two real Birminghams, two sets of Avocas, one at each end, the Thanda Impis,  just to name a few, the list goes on.

Yh, we can definetly appreciate the greatness of the lions we are currently witnessing. What did the Ross males accomplish to be the standard others are measured by?(don’t know anything about them)

I heard the mbiris are the most impressive duo of all time? 
Facts people mentioned were as followed 
-will reach 8y reign mid this year
-sired over 40 offspring 
-became dominant males at 3,5y
\only males to be documented dominant males at that age in even numbers (2vs2)
-chased 2 prime dominant Ross males at 3,5y old 
-chased 2 prime dominant mapoza males out of their own territory at 3,5y old 
-most fights and wins while outnumbered or in even numbers out of any documented coalition 
-beat prime Hercules and Sumatra and ousted them out of scorro pride 
-beat 2 huge H7 males 2vs2
-beat tinswalos aswell 

That’s what people say about the mbiris. Do the Ross males have a more impressive feats to show? 

Just curious as I don’t have any information about Ross males. 

Thanks in advance for reply ?

You don't know anything about the Ross Males, but you know so much about the males that, eventually, took over one of their prides?

Exactly
The information about lions comes mainly from u guys. Be it here or YouTube. So plenty people have mentioned a lot of infos about the mbiris. Especially with mandevus death, a lot of people came to talk about mbiris. 

Till now I haven’t come across a lot of infos about Ross males though. Since u seem to know a lot about the ross males, I would appreciate if u enlighten me with some facts about them. 

Asking questions like this is how I got 99% of my knowledge about lions.

Well, for starters, I hope the joy you get from learning about these cats, remains, as it does for so many of us here at WildFact. I, literally, learn something new about them, each and every day. I would suggest reading through the Timbavati thread, if you wish to learn more of the particulars on the Ross Males, than what I might provide here.

There are many traits that a successful lion has. Knowing how to fight, to defend yourself, your pride, and most importantly your cubs, is certainly one of the traits that any successful lion will have. As fighting comes with the territory of being a lion, some more than others, like your Mbiri boys, it is imperative that one be able to fight, in order to be successful. I view success as longevity, in ruling over their pride(s) and their territory, and with that producing many cubs that are then able to reach adulthood. One does not raise a pride's cubs, without protecting from constant threats, both externally and internally. 

The Ross Males ruled the Birmingham and Birmingham Breakaway Prides for almost 6 years, taking control in April of 2018 and ruling over the Birmingham Pride until the Mbiris took control of them in a bloodless coup, a pride so big it is often in the Super Pride realm (20 or more lions), and the Breakaway Pride until their death(s). We have not had confirmation of the passing of either Ross Male, as happens with many lions, but the final times we saw each of them, Tyson first and then Fabio, they were in pretty bad shape. I am not sure that they controlled the Breakaway Pride for that entire time or not. Through that time many of their cubs (I do not know the exact number, as we have recently started getting graphs posted showing the number of cubs coalitions are responsible for, perhaps we may know someday) reached adulthood, including the 7 member (originally) Birmingham Breakaway Coalition, and the group of Birmingham Males that includes the white male. Many of the females that the Mbiris mated with, in the Birmingham Pride, including the white female, are the offspring of the Ross Males. Personally, and as has been discussed here, in the Timbavati thread, many times, I do not know of males who were more successful, pride males over a single pride, producing more cubs, for as long, as the Ross Males. If there are some, I'd love to hear about them.

I would never try and belittle a coalition's accomplishments, to take away from anything that they accomplished, certainly not the Mbiris, a duo for whom I hold the highest respect and appreciation, and that is not something I will do here, as there are very few things, if any, I would wish that they did differently. They are, after all, wild animals.

(04-02-2025, 05:20 PM)Dangeroscos Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:25 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 06:52 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:

(04-01-2025, 02:34 AM)Dangeroscos Wrote: Wow that’s really impressive. LM really chased them alone and his brother was nowhere to be seen. (I know later u can see his brother with him) really brave indeed. I heard they have 24 living offspring in total right now. How about the living offspring count of the other dominant males of sabi sands? 

Here we go...

Offspring of the 3 Sabi Sand duos

Only 3 surviving Ndzhenga offsprings from Styx pride? Is Floppy Ear included? (even if he is sired by one of the other two now passed Ndzhengas he should imho count as their Southern daughters do)

Interesting. If we ass 6 lost cubs of Mhangeni and 3 lost cubs of Tsalala to PCM, we get to 21 which is comparable. Although we all know that PCMs are no without guilt as they weren't there for them when it mattered. At the same time the other two coalitions, Gijimas especially, still have high number count in "cubs" category and thus those have road ahead of them with no guarantee they'll make it, so numbers might get closer to each other in comparison when all is done and settled. Or not, perhaps the opposite, who knows.

Wow. 
Do u think the lost cubs of PCMs got lost to other males, or other predators?