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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - RookiePundit - 12-15-2024

(12-15-2024, 12:01 PM)sunless Wrote: Would recommend watching this as in this video Styx Male (Floppy Ear) is roaring in the heart of the Ndzhenga territory and the Ndzhengas gave chase on a 1 to 1 basis. Also it is believed that the Styx Male killed a Kambula subadult/cub (did not say if it is female or male that is killed) and severely injuring one of the young males.

Ndzhengas really need to push him out of their territory as it seems like Styx Male is killing their cubs and is trying to take a piece of their territory. I was also surprise that the Styx Male is full blown roaring in the territory of the Ndzhengas even when he is chased away he returns back to roaring, what a confident young male hope this confidence of him brings him good and not bad luck.

Also for K12, seems like the Ndzhengas would like to keep her as he is protecting her from another Kambula lioness. Wishing good luck for K12 as being a lone lioness is hard hoping she teams up with some lioness.




Crazy. And I was under the impression that Floppy Ear as the only one from the little Styx male who made it to adulthood was the cautious one, that's why he didn't perish. Or maybe he was and his brothers were even more reckless (their sisters sure had better surviving rate - through the age where sex of the cub doesn't rally matter).

Amahle the pragmatic opportunist, one more female what's not to like, let's defend the young female and don't waste time with the male who is already running anyway :) Let's how Eorenji sees it. I still believe neither is actual father of Floppy Ear but they will ofc act like fathers, which in this situation might or might not make a difference. 

Considering how Ndzhenga seems to be starting to push out this batch of Kambula young males, Floppy Ear is effectively attacking his potential coalition partners among them (considerably younger, but seem to be on track to become nomads in next months; I wonder if Ndzhengas will keep being aggressive towards them with this danger floating around, they might just have their paws full with Floppy Ear and let them be due to just being busy).

Certainly there is potential for more interesting and perhaps unexpected/rare footage. Good in that reagard that this happens in well traversed areas and not on the very borders of Kruger proper or in it.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - RookiePundit - 12-15-2024

(12-15-2024, 06:21 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Floppy Ear would likely be the son of Ubuso?  Was that the name of the one the Gijima's killed?  Or is Floppy from the time when the N'Was were all 4 in charge of the Styx pride?

This is truly bad news for all involved.  Floppy has gone warp speed to Male Lionhood.  It's fascinating to see the degrees of Lion maturation.

Floppy is like barely 4 and he's mating and chasing and trying to carve out territory all by himself, and then you have the Kambula's at like 6 still meandering around without a care in the world.

Yeah, Floppy Ear is one of the many cubs Nzdhengas had with Styx pride, theoretically any of the 4 could be his father and albeit the coalition abandoned the pride sooner that the pride needed, the remaining Nzhengas would consider him their offspring (if they recognize him).

I am in the camp that Uboso was the father, on older pictures Floppy Ear sticks out among the cubs and has his features, particularly the wide nose. Also judging from howe Ubuso acted once Nzdhengas invaded Londolozi/Mala Mala, he was quite a Casanova (unluckily futile mating with K6 included), so it is safe to assume he had interest in mating, he might be in poorer condition and not dominating much of the mating when they were with Southern and Styx prides, in the end it's anybody's guess.

Gijimas injured Ubuso, the injury was not direct cause of his death but likely contributed to his loos of condition in the end. He had limp (Londolozi called him club footed) before already but managed to keep up.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 12-15-2024

He won't get taller, probably, but still has the potential to bulk up a lot, I'd be shocked if his prime self doesn't weight more than Amahle to a noticeable degree if they were to be seen side by side, both in top condition.

Yeah genetics are weird, small father may sire big son, big father may sire smaller son and so on, there's the mother's genes and all the genes from the previous generations + how much food they are getting throughout their growth period.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I hope the badly injured sub isn't K12 female's and K6 male's half-brother, son of OG Ntsevu/Kambula K5, he's my favorite of the Ndhzenga offspring in the Kambula pride.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BA0701 - 12-15-2024

(12-15-2024, 08:15 PM)Ngonya Wrote:
(12-15-2024, 06:45 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: he could very well be Uboso but man does he remind me of Gore with his blondish mane
Yeah i think he is more similar to Gore or Amahle. I think people mostly hope to be Ubuso's since he died earlier than the others, personally never saw any resemblance. 


(12-15-2024, 06:45 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: You got Ahmale think twice before fully launch himself into his son ( I dont know if he recognize him but its probably because he didnt saw the need to take such risk alone)

I dont think so. Its been years and ever since Floppy Ear is now a almost adult young male. His father and him very likely did not recognize each other. As you say i think its more likely Amahle did not want to take such risk by himself, and probably didn't even have a reason to.

Ubuso was the most dominant during their time with the Styx Pride, and he dominated a lot of the mating, though they all were seen mating at one time or another. To my eyes, he looks more like Gore, than Ubuso.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BA0701 - 12-15-2024

(12-15-2024, 08:19 PM)BorntobeWild Wrote: It would be amazing if FE could team up with the PCMs oldest son. BTW, does anyone have an update  on Wonky Eye?

Last I heard on WE, he has made a coalition with some of his Imbali brothers, and taken over the Hamiltons Pride, and yes, I agree, FE and the Nkuhuma Breakaway young male would be perfect for one another, though given the behavior we are seeing from FE, at the moment, I am not so sure how open he would be, at this stage, to joining with other males, certainly not if K12 is anywhere nearby.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ttimemarti - 12-16-2024

Either uboso or amahle is his daddy in my eyes

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Rui Ferreira - 12-16-2024

(12-15-2024, 11:43 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(12-15-2024, 08:15 PM)Ngonya Wrote:
(12-15-2024, 06:45 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: he could very well be Uboso but man does he remind me of Gore with his blondish mane
Yeah i think he is more similar to Gore or Amahle. I think people mostly hope to be Ubuso's since he died earlier than the others, personally never saw any resemblance. 


(12-15-2024, 06:45 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: You got Ahmale think twice before fully launch himself into his son ( I dont know if he recognize him but its probably because he didnt saw the need to take such risk alone)

I dont think so. Its been years and ever since Floppy Ear is now a almost adult young male. His father and him very likely did not recognize each other. As you say i think its more likely Amahle did not want to take such risk by himself, and probably didn't even have a reason to.

Ubuso was the most dominant during their time with the Styx Pride, and he dominated a lot of the mating, though they all were seen mating at one time or another. To my eyes, he looks more like Gore, than Ubuso.
For me its either Gore or Amahle, Im more inclined to Gore tho

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ngonya - 12-16-2024

(12-15-2024, 10:36 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: either way in this case this doesnt matter at all, I just like to talk about these type of things even tho we dont have a way of knowing for sure
Yeah what matters in the end is that he is part of the legacy of the coalition. A beautiful young male regardless of who sired.

And i agree, personally i find it interesting to discuss the father, even thought it doesn't matter. 
Still, i see quite the resemblance especially with Amahle and Gore
Styx

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Amahle

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Gore

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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Rui Ferreira - 12-16-2024

(12-16-2024, 01:11 AM)Ngonya Wrote:
(12-15-2024, 10:36 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote: either way in this case this doesnt matter at all, I just like to talk about these type of things even tho we dont have a way of knowing for sure
Yeah what matters in the end is that he is part of the legacy of the coalition. A beautiful young male regardless of who sired.

And i agree, personally i find it interesting to discuss the father, even thought it doesn't matter. 
Still, i see quite the resemblance especially with Amahle and Gore
Styx

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Amahle

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Gore

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Styx

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Amahle

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I wouldnt be suprised if Amahle and Gore were from the same litter, the biggest difference I see here is Amahle snout is quite shorter compared to Styx and Gore, its tricky to go for eye color because its depends with the light sometimes but it also favors Gore
Gore face is more inclined from the eyes to the nose, on the other hand Styx face is more foreward and not as inclined
Either way the thing with genetics is that due to them being brothers, Styx could very well have similarities with one of his uncles, but my opinion stays the same, thank you for the photos

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BigLion39 - 12-16-2024

(12-13-2024, 06:37 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: They are artificially boosting longevity of those lions effectively creating long-living legends, that's undeniable, they even name them, they know what they are doing. 
No way. Look at Ross males, 14 years almost. Look at S. Shishangeni, what is he 13 maybe and looks 9.  Name a lion over 11 or 12 in the Mara nowadays. Blackie2 could be the oldest at just 12 and never treated by vets. Yeah naming them creates fans but they are not helping to ensure old age from lions. Damn pastoralists would kill every single big cat if they could get away with it so it's good they get some extra vet help. I believe they go too far with getting in the middle of territorial fights but what can we do? There's not many vets around and they rely on donations so of course there would be priority for lions. So many variables. Also, were dealing with poor people, money is getting thrown into the mix so integrity will play a part and we see that happening.  

Sabi Sands and some lodges in Kruger name lions too  just like Mara but without vet help.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sunless - 12-17-2024

Nkuhuma Male (2016) and Khanya Talamati Male at West with a Buffalo Kill
Nkuhuma Male (2016) seen Today by Nathan Cook a Safari Guide at Dulini Lodge

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Credits to Nathan Cook Instagram Story
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Khanya Talamati Male seen Today by a Guest at Dulini

Credits to Faith Lobelson Hasslinger Instagram Story
https://www.instagram.com/stories/faith_hasslinger/3524818463527167928/


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sunless - 12-18-2024

Ximunghwe Pride: Good picture for all of them and can be useful when doing ID's, do not know who is the older Xim lioness and Gingerella here in #1 or #2 photos but #3 and #4 is the daughters of PCM.

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https://www.instagram.com/stories/jaxbosphoto/3525693370996662223/
https://www.instagram.com/stories/jaxbosphoto/3525694943282047406/

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - RookiePundit - 12-18-2024

I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 12-18-2024

(12-18-2024, 09:36 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.

She is far more older, born in 2013, younger lioness is born in Othawa pride in late 2018.

Interesting background behind them (for new followers),  this Ximhungwes female family (except sister and brother) got killed of by Gingerellas aunts back in the day.

But she got her revenge, she linked with Gingerella, who was Othawas outcast (as she was too young to mate with Tumbelas) and with help of Nhenha/NK, they outpowered remaining Othawas, mainly Sassy and subs (of which only 2 survived to this day).

Ximhungwe female got her revange, after many years.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BA0701 - 12-19-2024

(12-18-2024, 11:17 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-18-2024, 09:36 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I would assume lioness No.1 being the oldest due to having fully black nose unlike the younger individuals.

She is far more older, born in 2013, younger lioness is born in Othawa pride in late 2018.

Interesting background behind them (for new followers),  this Ximhungwes female family (except sister and brother) got killed of by Gingerellas aunts back in the day.

But she got her revenge, she linked with Gingerella, who was Othawas outcast (as she was too young to mate with Tumbelas) and with help of Nhenha/NK, they outpowered remaining Othawas, mainly Sassy and subs (of which only 2 survived to this day).

Ximhungwe female got her revange, after many years.

So much history, with the Ximungwes. I mentioned in the Mapogos thread, they have never been able to gain any traction, in rebuilding the pride, even since Mr. T wiped out all the cubs. A lot of years have passed since that period, and she still does not have any cubs to show for it. I really hope she can give birth some time soon, and see those cubs to adulthood. She is the last blood of her pride.

As the Southern Pride has demonstrated, regrowing your pride quickly, is possible, but this gal is already 11 years old. If she is going to get it done, now is the time to start.