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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 12-10-2024

@Robot00 I've to disagree, 6yo NK male was clearly smaller in bulkiness than the smaller 5yo PCM in the video of the clash between them in 2022, and bigger PCM is already clearly bulkier than his brother.

Older 5yo Talamati was also bulkier than NK from the vid of them together.

I think NK is more muscular than say K4, the most of all living Bboys sons, but not PCM level.

@Rance56 What size advantage? They are the same size on average.

In fact Mara barely has impressive lions size-wise currently, only Orkirikoi is clearly big and muscular, and even then doesn't seem as big as Half-Tail was ( Rob the Ranger thinks so ). The Sankai have insane manes, but even the most impressive mane-wise, Seenka, was barely bigger in anything than one of his lionesses in a video from a few months ago.

Orkirikoi himself didn't seem big compared to average BrB in the vid of them together, though he was sitting and submissive, still in a similar vid older nomadic Hairy Belly looked much bigger than Nsuku Bboy so who knows.

PCM, maybe even Mantimahle, are likely bigger than all Mara lions currently despite Mara having a much bigger area and lion population.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Rance56 - 12-10-2024

i may be way mistaken on the size differences. are they meaningfully bigger in savuti/botswana? thanks

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - NLAL11 - 12-11-2024

(12-10-2024, 08:58 PM)KM600 Wrote:


Disagree with the post. I think they'll have better chance to become pride males in Kruger. And all the prides (except Tsalala) have cubs or potentially cubs on the way.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ttimemarti - 12-11-2024

The problem is they may disappear like many other lion that go into Kruger but they’re older than 3 othawa boys that went missing and talamati males brother that went missing and many others

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 12-11-2024

(12-11-2024, 01:35 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Disagree with the post. I think they'll have better chance to become pride males in Kruger.

Agree, no future for them in Sabi Sands, all coalitions thera are in their primes. 

Oldest, Ndhzengas, just turned 9 not long ago, in theory they can also go for years (NK is only ~ 1 year younger than Ndhzengas).

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 12-11-2024

Them disapearing is only aproblem for us, not for them. 

And yeah. It will be a while before Sabi Sands has space for another coalition. So its good to see one leaving on their own.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ttimemarti - 12-11-2024

(12-11-2024, 10:51 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Them disapearing is only aproblem for us, not for them. 

And yeah. It will be a while before Sabi Sands has space for another coalition. So its good to see one leaving on their own.

True but we haven’t seen the plains camp young male in months he could be alive but he also might not be unfortunately we just don’t know and won’t know… buuut the less nomads the better even tho those two didn’t bother anyone

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Guillermo94 - 12-11-2024

(12-11-2024, 03:27 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 01:35 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Disagree with the post. I think they'll have better chance to become pride males in Kruger.

Agree, no future for them in Sabi Sands, all coalitions thera are in their primes. 

Oldest, Ndhzengas, just turned 9 not long ago, in theory they can also go for years (NK is only ~ 1 year younger than Ndhzengas).

Hi good point. Ndhzenga male lions may surprise by staying longer with Kambula lionesses. If they have more cubs Kambula lionesses. I wonder if a very big pride will be in Kambula. I wonder when young male lions would leave? 

If Kambula lionesses have more cubs. Kambula lionesses are with Ndhzenga male lions, and would help Ndhzenga male lions. I was also thinking the young male lions in kambula what happens if they do not leave soon? If young male lions stay another year they will be three or around three. Would they help Ndhzenga male lions if they stay? I think Ndhzenga male lions may chase older five or six, because it is too many.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - KM600 - 12-11-2024

(12-10-2024, 10:18 PM)Rance56 Wrote: i may be way mistaken on the size differences. are they meaningfully bigger in savuti/botswana? thanks

I think u might be on about the Okavango Delta lions, it’s said because of the abundance of water, the amount of swimming they do strengthens their core that much more. I, personally, found the Botswana lions I do know of, seemingly more impressive than anywhere else. No idea how they’d compare to KNP / Masai Mara lions in terms of size, I doubt they’re that much bigger anyways.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - KM600 - 12-11-2024

(12-11-2024, 01:35 AM)NLAL11 Wrote:
(12-10-2024, 08:58 PM)KM600 Wrote:


Disagree with the post. I think they'll have better chance to become pride males in Kruger. And all the prides (except Tsalala) have cubs or potentially cubs on the way.

I agree, I’d imagine it’s easier to expand the coalition too, if that’s something they’d look towards.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 12-11-2024

Throwback, Tsalala Solo:



RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Fenix123 - 12-11-2024

Torchwood Pride vs Buffalo herd

3 females and 7 Young males, the Young males were pushed back  and everyone ended up giving up and leaving, after this they were seen in kruger boundary with buffelshoek

Credits to melc.in.the.wild



RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 12-11-2024

(12-11-2024, 07:36 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Torchwood Pride vs Buffalo herd

3 females and 7 Young males, the Young males were pushed back  and everyone ended up giving up and leaving, after this they were seen in kruger boundary with buffelshoek

So we have 8-10 sub males in Kambula pride, and 7 sub males in Torchwood pride.

They should be roughly around same age if im not mistaken (born thru 2022).

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 12-11-2024

@Rance56 for all we know, no, lions are the same size anywhere with a healthy population.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Friarfan619 - 12-11-2024

Coincidence??