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RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 05-06-2021
Legendary Hairy Belly around 10 yrs apart :
Photo Credits : Drizzle Jordaan and Jen
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RE: The Matimba coalition - lionuk - 05-06-2021
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 05-06-2021
A lot of attention over the years was on S. Matimbas in Sabi Sands , but N. Matimbas where massive beasts, imagen if they stayed together..
RE: The Matimba coalition - Hairy tummy - 05-07-2021
Some of the best manes in the business
RE: The Matimba coalition - Potato - 05-07-2021
(05-06-2021, 10:56 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: imagen if they stayed togetherThen they probably would not have been as succesfull in terms of amount of raised offspring.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 12:16 AM)Potato Wrote: Then they probably would not have been as succesfull in terms of amount of raised offspring.
Thats true, they controlled too vast of an territory and prides to stick together..
In 2012/2013 before split, at their peak they controlled area from around Tintswalo Lodge to almost MalaMala, which is insane.. So obiviously they needed to split to sustain that.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Potato - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 12:39 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-07-2021, 12:16 AM)Potato Wrote: Then they probably would not have been as succesfull in terms of amount of raised offspring.
Thats true, they controlled too vast of an territory and prides to stick together..
In 2012/2013 before split, at their peak they controlled area from around Tintswalo Lodge to almost MalaMala, which is insane.. So obiviously they needed to split to sustain that.
They had even bigger arena as just before they split they tookover Northern Manyeleti with Koppies pride. Also it is believed they had some pride in Kruger, Nduna spent his time with.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Duco Ndona - 05-07-2021
Yeah. Big coalitions are often just big disasters.
They only really favour the top one or two males in the group. So the rest of the male lions are just foot soldiers that have to fight over scraps. As a result there is a lot of aggression within the group which then gets vented on the poor lionesses or cubs which are already struggling to feed themselves.
With those numbers, the coalition can just take over every pride they want. So instead of getting a set small territory. They just hop prides, killing the males and the cubs while leaving the previous pride to rot.
It may seem that they are succesfull. But most of the members are probably pretty miserable in it.
So I am not that mournful when a big coalition falls apart. Or consider their size of territory or amount of prides taken over a measure off success. I think smaller coalitions of around 3 are far more optimal. They are big enough to defend themselves. But small enough for every member to get the spoils and keep aggression low.
The Matimbas were just smart enough to realize this too.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 01:53 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yeah. Big coalitions are often just big disasters.
They only really favour the top one or two males in the group. So the rest of the male lions are just foot soldiers that have to fight over scraps. As a result there is a lot of aggression within the group which then gets vented on the poor lionesses or cubs which are already struggling to feed themselves.
With those numbers, the coalition can just take over every pride they want. So instead of getting a set small territory. They just hop prides, killing the males and the cubs while leaving the previous pride to rot.
It may seem that they are succesfull. But most of the members are probably pretty miserable in it.
So I am not that mournful when a big coalition falls apart. Or consider their size of territory or amount of prides taken over a measure off success. I think smaller coalitions of around 3 are far more optimal. They are big enough to defend themselves. But small enough for every member to get the spoils and keep aggression low.
The Matimbas were just smart enough to realize this too.
Well, almost all coalitions of 5+ males split after taking over their first territory and prides anyways..
You rarely see an established/already dominant coalition of 5+ males together conquering their next territory..
I think Jocks where the only ones recently, who went in conquest of their 2nd territory around Lower Sabie as 5 male coalition, and maybe Mpondos on Jock area, althrough im not sure if 5th Mpondo was with them,i think he was still back with Renosterkoppies pride.
But i agree, 3-4 males is the most optimal.
RE: The Matimba coalition - BA0701 - 05-07-2021
(05-07-2021, 12:06 AM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Some of the best manes in the business
Near Crater Lion level manes on those boys, not often you see such manes outside of the crater.
RE: The Matimba coalition - lionuk - 05-08-2021
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tonpa - 05-08-2021
Dozie still ruled Nkuhumas in 2010? I thought he was removed by mapogos in 2007
RE: The Matimba coalition - Potato - 05-08-2021
(05-08-2021, 07:56 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Dozie still ruled Nkuhumas in 2010? I thought he was removed by mapogos in 2007
Blondie was. Dozie with some Nkuchuma lionesses and cubs moved away from Mapogos towards north to Manyeleti.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tonpa - 05-08-2021
(05-08-2021, 07:58 PM)Potato Wrote:(05-08-2021, 07:56 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Dozie still ruled Nkuhumas in 2010? I thought he was removed by mapogos in 2007
Blondie was. Dozie with some Nkuchuma lionesses and cubs moved away from Mapogos towards north to Manyeleti.
And this became the talamati pride?
RE: The Matimba coalition - Potato - 05-08-2021
(05-08-2021, 08:00 PM)Tonpa Wrote:(05-08-2021, 07:58 PM)Potato Wrote:(05-08-2021, 07:56 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Dozie still ruled Nkuhumas in 2010? I thought he was removed by mapogos in 2007
Blondie was. Dozie with some Nkuchuma lionesses and cubs moved away from Mapogos towards north to Manyeleti.
And this became the talamati pride?
Yes