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RE: Bear Strength - brotherbear - 12-10-2018
https://mytakeontv.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/exploring-grizzly-bears-with-casey-anderson/
What is something that you learned in spending the year with Grizzlies that has affected your daily life going forward?
Insight from Brutus: if it is physically possible, then it is done. If not, it isn’t. After weighing a boulder in at one ton, we used a tractor to lift it to place a piece of salmon under it. Soon after, Brutus caught the scent of the salmon and walked to the boulder. In one swift move, he pushed the boulder to the side and happily devoured the salmon. It dawned on me as I stood next to my friend: he doesn’t worry much; he is not handicapped by his mind. If his body isn’t capable of doing it, then that is his only limitation. He does not sit there and contemplate, or make excuses; he just does all he can. Then goes and takes a nap in the sunshine. How great would it be if we could all live that way?
RE: Bear Strength - Polar - 12-12-2018
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RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-12-2018
Polar, if you read this I would have a question. You posted early in this thread that research report about bears from Russia. That one with pulling tests and also "weight lifting" test. It seems to be difficult or impossible to find from internet. I would ask, that where did you find that? I know, that all reports aren´t there to see publicly, at least not for free naturally. But still I couldn´t find anything about it and it would be nice to know where did you find it :)
RE: Bear Strength - Polar - 12-12-2018
(12-12-2018, 05:54 AM)Shadow Wrote: Polar, if you read this I would have a question. You posted early in this thread that research report about bears from Russia. That one with pulling tests and also "weight lifting" test. It seems to be difficult or impossible to find from internet. I would ask, that where did you find that? I know, that all reports aren´t there to see publicly, at least not for free naturally. But still I couldn´t find anything about it and it would be nice to know where did you find it :)
I actually had it on my Google Drive a while ago, but accidentally deleted it since I wanted to clear my storage of my previous year's worth of university assignments and whatnot. I do remember finding this on a thread on ShaggyGod (a ProBoards style site), which is another forum about bears, more-so with a focus on the grizzly, although I don't think the thread is there anymore since they deleted a lot of their older threads and made new derivations.
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-12-2018
(12-12-2018, 05:59 AM)Polar Wrote:(12-12-2018, 05:54 AM)Shadow Wrote: Polar, if you read this I would have a question. You posted early in this thread that research report about bears from Russia. That one with pulling tests and also "weight lifting" test. It seems to be difficult or impossible to find from internet. I would ask, that where did you find that? I know, that all reports aren´t there to see publicly, at least not for free naturally. But still I couldn´t find anything about it and it would be nice to know where did you find it :)
I actually had it on my Google Drive a while ago, but accidentally deleted it since I wanted to clear my storage of my previous year's worth of university assignments and whatnot. I do remember finding this on a thread on ShaggyGod (a ProBoards style site), which is another forum about bears, more-so with a focus on the grizzly, although I don't think the thread is there anymore since they deleted a lot of their older threads and made new derivations.
Ok, then I have to figure out how to find it because I really want to see original too. Not that I would have doubts, but to have it just in case if someone else has. Those results are simply impressive. I know, that some lighter weight powerlifters can also lift same results pound to pound what comes to that "deadlift" test, but they do that with extreme effort and frankly speaking with steroids. So having a young bear doing same effortlessly is something so different. One is lifting so, that almost shitting pants to get it barely up from ground and another does it casually like seeing a coin on ground and picking it to pocket :)
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-13-2018
Here one video about a black bear flipping a rock.
Here another one.
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-18-2018
I got now some information about that bear strength research, which I was interested to know more for various reasons. One was, that I found it impossible to find anything about it from internet. Another is, that also impossible to find even a single one of researchers mentioned in it. So I wrote to university mentioned in that document and asked if they can confirm something or is that whole document made up by someone.
I put here attached that document and reply from university. I cencored name of that person, who answered to me, because I forgot to ask his permission to share it here in public forum. I asked it now, but time difference is big.
I know, that this information was put here in good faith. This just show why it is important to double check if something comes up and it looks to be almost too good to be true.
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-19-2018
Here one more flipping a rock. It would be nice to know some measurements of these rocks, but in this at least it was heavy enough to create balance problems for this bear even though it could handle it with one paw.
Part two.
RE: Bear Strength - Spalea - 12-19-2018
@Shadow :
About #156 and #158: the black bear moved the rock without apparent efforts ! Crazy... How would we be able to determine their real strength ?
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-19-2018
(12-19-2018, 10:54 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #156 and #158: the black bear moved the rock without apparent efforts ! Crazy... How would we be able to determine their real strength ?
Difficult thing to do, as always these are.... if some dimensions of those rocks could be estimated, then we could calculate weights of rocks. In posting #150 I attached one case, where that weight could be calculated and there brown bear dug up and "threw" away a rock weighing 300-350 kg. Word throw is from report. I think, that bear didn´t lift and throw it, but most probably rock was so long way from excavated pit, that researcher was impressed. Then again I know, that bears sometimes also throw rocks, for instance in one zoo bear threw rock against safety glass so, that first layer of it cracked completely. In another case polar bear did same in pool also cracking safety glass of that pool... but those were smaller rocks I think.
Here video about brown bear which broke that glass. Notice also 0:29 with that tree.
Here polar bear, not so impressive throw, but that must have been quite "interesting" situation for people there
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-20-2018
This link is to article in digital version of finnish science magazine. This is from section, where people can send questions and then they get answers from specialists. Anyway most people here don´t understand a word from that text, so I put here a short summary. Someone has made a question, that how much could a bear bench press? Person answering to question is Heidi Kinnunen, who has doctoral degree in zoology. She is quite well known animal expert in Finland and can be found from University of Helsinki.
She tells, that compared to ordinary human, bear has very strong muscles what comes to forelimbs, pecs and shoulders. Even cubs have been observed to flip easily flat stones weighing 140 kg (about 309 lbs). In fight a bear can lift with forelimbs another bear which has thrown itself over it. Then she tells, that canadian researchers recommend, that when bear is wanted to catch alive with a rope to leg, there should be used a coil able to withstand force of 16,8 kilonewton, which might be easier to understand if putting figure 1713 kg (3777 lbs).
Then Kinnunen explains, that bench press isn´t for a bear natural thing to do which everyone should understand. Mentioning also, that bears can do kind of pull-ups with branches. Then she does a little comparison to human but final statement from her is conclusion, that what comes to strength, adult bear would be able to bench press at least double of its own body weight.
Here is link to article if someone wants to check and maybe try to learn finnish. If you try to use google translator..... good luck. Finnish-english translations are nightmares/torture for anyone trying
https://www.tiede.fi/artikkeli/kysy/paljonko_karhu_nostaisi_penkista
Here is some info about Kinnunen: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Heidi_Kinnunen
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-22-2018
Here is that email from university in Russia concerning that fake document about bear strength. I got replied by Ivan Pisarev who said, that his name can be shown here if someone has doubts, that did I get reply from there or not :)
RE: Bear Strength - Sanju - 12-26-2018
Bear predation on boar (lol, good rhyming) & good Strength
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^^ Above pics are of Grizzlies sure though.
In this excellent video, a grizzly or North American (need clarification as it looks like ussuri brown bear???) wrestled with a wild boar (probably, I think its Russian or amur wild boar). After a long struggle, the bear has the upper hand which went on tearing away the pig's back savagely.
The bear was too strong for the omnivorous beast to escape. Even though bear didn't concentrate much on the killing it due to the disturbance and some freaking people are taunting the bear by yelling and chattering, bear went on dominating and destroying the hog's spine.
At last some body freaked away the bear from the site giving a chance to the boar to escape. I dont know whether it ran away or bear again caught on it after the video. However, interesting scene and great power exhibition by brown beary.
RE: Bear Strength - brotherbear - 12-26-2018
https://www.allgrizzly.org/front-limbs
Front limbs
Of all the morphologic features that typify bears, the front limbs and associated skeletal infrastructure are the most distinctive. They are also diagnostic of the bear life strategy (see Life strategy). No other terrestrial vertebrate of its size--certainly no other large carnivore--has front limbs that are as flexible, powerfully built, and mounted with such dexterous paws. Nor do any comparable-sized carnivores have such out-sized claws...claws which are clearly "designed" to be powered by the muscular arms and shoulders to either climb trees, extract food from a durable matrix (i.e., dig), or grapple with and subdue large prey such as seals, moose, and elk. What follows is a summary of the evidence produced over the years elaborating on and substantiating the preceding thumbnail sketch. You will have to forgive me for the abundance that follows, but it is reflective of the extent to which I see this aspect of bear morphology as key to understanding the overall bear life strategy--as well as niche.
RE: Bear Strength - Shadow - 12-26-2018
(12-26-2018, 05:08 PM)Sanju Wrote: Bear predation on boar (lol, good rhyming) & good Strength
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
^^ Above pics are of Grizzlies sure though.
In this excellent video, a grizzly or North American (need clarification as it looks like ussuri brown bear???) wrestled with a wild boar (probably, I think its Russian or amur wild boar). After a long struggle, the bear has the upper hand which went on tearing away the pig's back savagely.
The bear was too strong for the omnivorous beast to escape. Even though bear didn't concentrate much on the killing it due to the disturbance and some freaking people are taunting the bear by yelling and chattering, bear went on dominating and destroying the hog's spine.
At last some body freaked away the bear from the site giving a chance to the boar to escape. I dont know whether it ran away or bear again caught on it after the video. However, interesting scene and great power exhibition by brown beary.
That is shame when people interfere to actions of wild animals. Then again it is quite brutal to watch something like that. What happened after that is speculation, but bear has one of the best noses of animals, so it has no trouble to track down prey when it chooses to do so. It is also way faster runner, than wild boar if able to get close to it. When looking at size and condition of that bear there, it can run even 60 km/h (about 37-38 mph) and maintain that speed for a moment. Wild boar is not as fast, so if this bear was really determined, I guess, that it hunted and ate that boar later.
I agree, that quite impressive to see that small bear to handle that big boar so easily. Or should I say when those animals were so closely matched what comes to size. If that was an ezceptional big boar, then that bear could have been reasonably sized, even though far from being a big bear.