(08-04-2024, 11:33 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: If this is Tumbela's fault, man I hate that he just stays out there.

(08-04-2024, 08:58 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-04-2024, 08:42 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: I don’t know how to post pictures with a Warning.  


Repost froM Noor Abdu


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August 4, 2024

Altercation last night/early morning between Mhangeni Pride & Kambula Pride leaves 1 cub dead & 2 older cubs missing ??

I just received some very sad news from a ranger at Londolozi. Seems there was an altercation between Kambulas & Mhangenis. It is believed that the dead cub is a Kambula cub (possibly 1 of K8's 3 cubs who were born July 2023 as the size of the cub looks about a year old) however, we mustn't forget Mhangeni cub #10 who was born August 2023. I have sent pics to someone who will hopefully be able to ID the cub ??

Information I received from the ranger who gave me permission to share.

"I have some sad news. The Kambulas and Mhangenis had a fight last night/this morning and what looks like one of the younger Kambula female cubs was killed. Two older cubs still missing from Kambula and not sure about anything from the Mhangeni Pride.

I know Mhangeni were running east onto Londoz last night trying to get away from Thumbela.
This morning the Kambulas were found split in two groups and tracks show that lionesses had been running in the area. The cub badly injured not unlikely to survive.
The Mhangenis were not found so unsure of whether it was them or the Tumbela Male who killed the cub. But this afternoon I just found the last remains of a wildebeest carcass not too far from where the cub was found. Apparently the Mhangenis were running from him last night. So I presume the sound at the carcass drew the lions in and ended up in an altercation either with the Tumbela male or the Mhangenis.

Definitely not Ntsevu, it’s too far west for Ntsevu. The furthest we have seen the Ntsevu is in line with our camps and this was about 5-6km southwest of our camps.
If it isn’t Kambula then it will be Mhangeni. I am almost 100% sure this is a Kambula cub. It looked to be about a year old, and it’s not mange that is dirt from either feeding or the altercation. I couldn’t see any testes so I assumed female but didn’t look too hard."

He will be asking around for me to try and find the Mhangeni Pride as well as Tumbela. At that time we will have a clearer understanding which cub it is, Kambula or Mhangeni ????

This is so heart breaking. You can tell the cub is not fully dead, in the pics, but, as the post says,  it does not look good at all.

(08-04-2024, 11:26 PM)KM600 Wrote: It would be very surprising if Tumbela killed the cub no matter if it’s Mhangenis or Kambulas, especially as he’s been around the Mhangenis for a month and doesn’t seem to show an aggressive side to the cubs, the rare time he’s close enough to them anyways. Then again, they were supposedly running from him so maybe his persistence with leaving them unharmed finally ran out. 

I was thinking tho, is it 100% confirmed the lion chasing the pride was Tumbela, as we know Khanya and NK are also in the area and were last spotted extremely close to both Tumbela and the pride. S.Avoca is even in the mix too. Not saying they had anything to do with the cubs deaths, it’s just a theory, but maybe they had chased the pride into Londolozi and Tumbela followed them there.

(08-05-2024, 01:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-04-2024, 11:26 PM)KM600 Wrote: It would be very surprising if Tumbela killed the cub no matter if it’s Mhangenis or Kambulas, especially as he’s been around the Mhangenis for a month and doesn’t seem to show an aggressive side to the cubs, the rare time he’s close enough to them anyways. Then again, they were supposedly running from him so maybe his persistence with leaving them unharmed finally ran out. 

I was thinking tho, is it 100% confirmed the lion chasing the pride was Tumbela, as we know Khanya and NK are also in the area and were last spotted extremely close to both Tumbela and the pride. S.Avoca is even in the mix too. Not saying they had anything to do with the cubs deaths, it’s just a theory, but maybe they had chased the pride into Londolozi and Tumbela followed them there.

I am of the same thinking, I have not seen Skorro Jr show any aggression towards any cubs to this point. I get, I know he is a lion, I am also not naive and understand it is natural behavior, but not all male lions are aggressive towards cubs, and I for one believe he is one such male. He has been around cubs from a few prides, even dining with them, and I have not seen him show aggression towards them. Would I find it impossible, no, but, would I be surprised, actually, yes, I would. I cannot speak to Khanya, have not seen him around a strange pride's cubs, and we know that NYM has killed cubs before.

Also, the "chasing" part (I understand that is their words, not yours), was he actually chasing them, as in were they running away from him, was he running after them, or was he merely following them as he has been doing for over a week now?

(08-05-2024, 04:05 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: New video came out about the lion dynamics of Sabi Sand.  

Can anybody read the family tree lineage at the end of the video?  I cannot see it well even after expanding it to full size.

(08-05-2024, 02:32 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:

(08-05-2024, 01:49 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(08-04-2024, 11:26 PM)KM600 Wrote: It would be very surprising if Tumbela killed the cub no matter if it’s Mhangenis or Kambulas, especially as he’s been around the Mhangenis for a month and doesn’t seem to show an aggressive side to the cubs, the rare time he’s close enough to them anyways. Then again, they were supposedly running from him so maybe his persistence with leaving them unharmed finally ran out. 

I was thinking tho, is it 100% confirmed the lion chasing the pride was Tumbela, as we know Khanya and NK are also in the area and were last spotted extremely close to both Tumbela and the pride. S.Avoca is even in the mix too. Not saying they had anything to do with the cubs deaths, it’s just a theory, but maybe they had chased the pride into Londolozi and Tumbela followed them there.

I am of the same thinking, I have not seen Skorro Jr show any aggression towards any cubs to this point. I get, I know he is a lion, I am also not naive and understand it is natural behavior, but not all male lions are aggressive towards cubs, and I for one believe he is one such male. He has been around cubs from a few prides, even dining with them, and I have not seen him show aggression towards them. Would I find it impossible, no, but, would I be surprised, actually, yes, I would. I cannot speak to Khanya, have not seen him around a strange pride's cubs, and we know that NYM has killed cubs before.

Also, the "chasing" part (I understand that is their words, not yours), was he actually chasing them, as in were they running away from him, was he running after them, or was he merely following them as he has been doing for over a week now?

I don't think Skorro Jr was the culprit that got the cub.  I think the cubs are the victims of the 2 prides coming together.  The report I read (right, wrong, whatever) was stating that the Mangheni were moving East away from Skorro.  Whether he was chasing them, or they just got tired of him being around.  Who knows.  Skorro hung around for a while, maybe he started trying to get frisky.  I guess time will tell.

Also, maybe it wasn't Skorro, but Talamati and NKhuma male that did the chasing, or created the chase.  They are also in this region if memory serves.  Ultimately, I still blame the greed of the PCM's which may possibly spell their end.  How did PCM get his eye hurt again?  I think we are missing some big pictures here.

(08-05-2024, 01:27 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its more likely they tried to ditch both.