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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 07-03-2024

I'm impressed by Ndhzengas accepting the PCM's challenge. This is not the first time they had close encounters like that.

I'm willing to say that the PCM can feel these roars are from prime ans confident dominant males, so they are a bit hesitant to use their classic strategy of charging in blind and kick the door open like they did with Nhenha/NK or how they do to potentially dangerous nomads like the Kambulas.

This is interesting because it is the first dominant duo they challenge since the first one, NK/Nhenha who were only dominant for a month or so, and were males the PCM already knew well, having chased them as nomads multiple times in Singita.

Ndhzengas are mostly "unknown" to them and they can only know that the roars and scent-marking are from well established healthy and prime males.

It shows how tough it usually is for prime and confident males to challenge one another in even numbers, they usually can't just charge in.

This makes the Gijima feats of chasing dominant Nkhulu while heavily outnumbered even more impressive.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-03-2024

(07-03-2024, 09:37 PM)Mapokser Wrote: This is interesting because it is the first dominant duo they challenge since the first one

I dont think this is "real challenge" (for full territory takeover), more so "border dispute", as prob both parties found each others on their borders at same time, trying their luck to gain some land, which didnt work obiviously.

It will prob only be roaring battle or some chasing back and forth and everything will settle.

(07-03-2024, 09:37 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Ndhzengas are mostly "unknown" to them and they can only know that the roars and scent-marking are from well established healthy and prime males.

They are neighbours in Londolozi for almost 3 yrs now and PCMs definetly encounter them few times before as nomads aswell, so except that now are only 2 Ndhzengas for over a year, these 2 parties should know each other very well at this point.

There is a reason why PCMs since they become territorial, first expanded west, and now expanded northeast, and never really tried further east into Londolozi and towards MalaMala (Ndhzengas territory).

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mwk85 - 07-03-2024

(07-03-2024, 07:44 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: PC's and Ndzhenga's having a back and forth with each other. Haven't seen anything to indicate something other than them roaring at each other took place.





Update: PC's were in Ndzhenga territory, reportedly there was a bunch of chasing back and forth between the two parties which ended with the PC's leaving.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-03-2024

(07-03-2024, 10:31 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Update: PC's were in Ndzhenga territory, reportedly there was a bunch of chasing back and forth between the two parties which ended with the PC's leaving.

Where exactly that happened?

I've seen comment, it says they where chasing back and forth for about 2 hours and then Ndhzengas eventually chased them off.

Looks like all territorial coalitions in SS decided to clash lol.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mwk85 - 07-03-2024

Not 100% sure on the exact location, but I'm guessing somewhere in the northern part of their (Ndzhenga) territory as the PC's were seen in Djuma a day or two ago.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-03-2024

(07-03-2024, 10:45 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Not 100% sure on the exact location, but I'm guessing somewhere in the northern part of their (Ndzhenga) territory as the PC's were seen in Djuma a day or two ago.

If thats the case, then this clash might be just establishing border between 2 neighbours in the north, where PCMs expanded.

This usually happens when new coalition establish or expands in new area, they will try "their luck" to see how much land they can take, until they meet resistence from their neighbours, thats how borders are made.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - GhostCatP-22 - 07-03-2024

(07-03-2024, 10:45 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Not 100% sure on the exact location, but I'm guessing somewhere in the northern part of their (Ndzhenga) territory as the PC's were seen in Djuma a day or two ago.

In the video it states londolozi but not sure where specifically. 
Well done boys (both coalitions) for keeping you borders safe and intact! 

Also in the comments; Mohawk and the lone Black dam made have been together for over a week! Very glad those 2 have some company and protection. I’d love if Khanya could find them and join, that 3 would work well together.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 07-04-2024

I think the PCM's aggressiveness, impressive size/mane, their performance against nomads as well as their expansive behavior blinded me a bit regarding their strength to a point I thought anyone in their path at central and northern SS would be walked over.

But I always kept in mind that they never dealt with proper well-established dominant males. Ndhzengas are totally different in personality but were in a similar situation, doing well against nomads and pushovers.

But since Ndhzengas started their "career" in SS running from the 2 old Bboys, aren't very aggressive, killing many subs and females, are small in body and never encountered the 4 Kambulas like the other duos did, they didn't had the same reputation in strength, still they are dominant over the worst territory to defend in SS for a reason, the Gijimas who by far have the best feats in territorial clashes also seems to respect them for a reason, so here they seemingly gave the PCM their first L.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Friarfan619 - 07-04-2024

(07-03-2024, 11:50 PM)GhostCatP-22 Wrote:
(07-03-2024, 10:45 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Not 100% sure on the exact location, but I'm guessing somewhere in the northern part of their (Ndzhenga) territory as the PC's were seen in Djuma a day or two ago.

In the video it states londolozi but not sure where specifically. 
Well done boys (both coalitions) for keeping you borders safe and intact! 

Also in the comments; Mohawk and the lone Black dam made have been together for over a week! Very glad those 2 have some company and protection. I’d love if Khanya could find them and join, that 3 would work well together.
Lion lovers say Khanya is with nkuhuma but no sign of tumbela

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-04-2024

(07-04-2024, 12:40 AM)Friarfan619 Wrote: Lion lovers say Khanya is with nkuhuma but no sign of tumbela

Yes, NK and Talamati are together in the West.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - GhostCatP-22 - 07-04-2024

(07-04-2024, 12:52 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(07-04-2024, 12:40 AM)Friarfan619 Wrote: Lion lovers say Khanya is with nkuhuma but no sign of tumbela

Yes, NK and Talamati are together in the West.

Saw that too but what confused that it might have been S8 son or the young Nkuhuma boy…has the video been posted yet? I want to reference, show others to try and get IDs.

There was also Tumbela with Nym in the west so these boys are just wandering around tryin’ to confuse us lol.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-04-2024

(07-04-2024, 12:57 AM)GhostCatP-22 Wrote: Saw that too but what confused that it might have been S8 son or the young Nkuhuma boy…has the video been posted yet? I want to reference, show others to try and get IDs.

Looks like Talamati :






RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-04-2024

(07-04-2024, 12:36 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I think the PCM's aggressiveness, impressive size/mane, their performance against nomads as well as their expansive behavior blinded me a bit regarding their strength to a point I thought anyone in their path at central and northern SS would be walked over.

But I always kept in mind that they never dealt with proper well-established dominant males. Ndhzengas are totally different in personality but were in a similar situation, doing well against nomads and pushovers.

But since Ndhzengas started their "career" in SS running from the 2 old Bboys, aren't very aggressive, killing many subs and females, are small in body and never encountered the 4 Kambulas like the othera duo did, they didn't had the same reputation in strength, still they are dominant over the worst territory to defend in SS for a reason, the Gijimas who by far have the best feats in territorial clashes also seems to respect them for a season, so here they seemingly gave the PCM their first L.

Not suprising, I was saying this since those PCMs vs Ndhzengas talks started, and people saying how PCMs would simply walk over Ndhzengas because of their agressivnes, confidence and most important, size (lol).

Ndhzengas showed in the past 4 yrs more then enough, but people are still going to downplay them because of their size..

I think all 3 duos in Sabi Sands (Ndhzengas, Gijimas and PCMs), are really strong with strong bonds betweem them, its impossible to tell who would win in a real territorial clash.

But with this, 2 Ndhzengas now beat and chased both Gijimas (as nomads) and PCMs in a clash/dispute.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - KM600 - 07-04-2024

(07-03-2024, 10:31 PM)Mwk85 Wrote:
(07-03-2024, 07:44 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: PC's and Ndzhenga's having a back and forth with each other. Haven't seen anything to indicate something other than them roaring at each other took place.





Update: PC's were in Ndzhenga territory, reportedly there was a bunch of chasing back and forth between the two parties which ended with the PC's leaving.

I really think this situation was necessary, PCMs are clearly seeing what they can get away with and it’s possible they picked up on the Ndzengas from when they briefly come North and followed them into Londolozi, or just happened to run into them this time. Ndzengas on the other hand, have always made frequent trips to the North and went above and beyond protecting their territory especially from that side. 

This is the first time they’ve come up against a dominant force who can match them in the North for a while, and they prolly won’t be doing too many trips there in the future now. PCMs too know they can’t just steamroll this duo and prolly won’t make any further advancements either.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Vengeous - 07-04-2024

I think a lot of people are deeping this interaction - it's exciting to play this up as a major showdown between two of the most formidable duos in Sabi Sands, when I do agree with some users that this was just a reiteration of boundaries. The PCMs were realistically never going to come out on top in the Ndhzengas' territory, they pushed their luck and got repelled because there was far more to lose for them - the potential injuries suffered from a clash was never going to be worth an expansion of their territory. I think it's worth pointing out that part of what makes the PCMs so formidable is that unless they are scrapping over mating rights, the two of them rarely allow themselves to get hurt in conflicts with other lions. They sustained minor injuries when taking down Nhenha, and had maybe a couple of scratches after injuring one of the Kambulas and possibly killing Lip Scarr Nkuhuma. They usually only fight when they possess the element of surprise.

The Ndhzengas, on the other hand, absolutely needed to make a statement against the PCMs' incursion. They had far more to lose if they retreated in their own territory. If the Ndhzengas' and PCMs' roles were reversed, the outcome would likely be reversed too. At the end of the day, there is so much to lose for both these males and while people criticise the PCMs for leaving the west, I have always seen it as a calculated risk, far different from the risk that the PCMs would take clashing with the Ndhzengas in Londolozi. The Ndhzengas have often been very prudent in their patrols and their movement has always been very defense-oriented.

Ultimately, both have reinforced their borders and unless the PCMs are lured by the Kambula or Ntsevu prides, I find it highly unlikely that they will move deep into Ndhzenga territory because there's just no reason to. In my humble opinion this barely constitutes a "battle" between these coalitions.