(07-01-2024, 09:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Avocas chased 6 of them once and then 5, getting Delaporte.

Soon after they felt the pressure and abandoned their territory.

(07-01-2024, 10:16 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 09:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Avocas chased 6 of them once and then 5, getting Delaporte.

Soon after they felt the pressure and abandoned their territory.

That’s not an ousted tho they left under their own will nobody really made them leave they beat up one of them and left it’s not really an ousted what made them make the southern avocas leave it wasn’t them fighting it was them being 6 or 7 males and when the avocas left it took alive before they started to look for the sand river pride females so I don’t think that what happened it wasn’t a “real” ousted to be honest

(07-01-2024, 11:40 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: @Ngonya this should be posted in Gijimas thread

(07-01-2024, 11:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 10:16 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 09:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Avocas chased 6 of them once and then 5, getting Delaporte.

Soon after they felt the pressure and abandoned their territory.

That’s not an ousted tho they left under their own will nobody really made them leave they beat up one of them and left it’s not really an ousted what made them make the southern avocas leave it wasn’t them fighting it was them being 6 or 7 males and when the avocas left it took alive before they started to look for the sand river pride females so I don’t think that what happened it wasn’t a “real” ousted to be honest

They literally abandoned their prides, and cubs, after being confronted by a very large coalition. Whether it was after a beating, or actually being physically chased, or if they simply gave to the pressure of a no win situation, it doesn't really matter. This is as real of an ouster as you can have, if they don't leave, then that is not an ouster.

(07-02-2024, 12:29 AM)GhostCatP-22 Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 11:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 10:16 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 09:10 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Avocas chased 6 of them once and then 5, getting Delaporte.

Soon after they felt the pressure and abandoned their territory.

That’s not an ousted tho they left under their own will nobody really made them leave they beat up one of them and left it’s not really an ousted what made them make the southern avocas leave it wasn’t them fighting it was them being 6 or 7 males and when the avocas left it took alive before they started to look for the sand river pride females so I don’t think that what happened it wasn’t a “real” ousted to be honest

They literally abandoned their prides, and cubs, after being confronted by a very large coalition. Whether it was after a beating, or actually being physically chased, or if they simply gave to the pressure of a no win situation, it doesn't really matter. This is as real of an ouster as you can have, if they don't leave, then that is not an ouster.

Do you have the post numbers referring to the s avocas abandoning their prides and territory? From what I understand there were many chases and confrontations, roaring and scent making, cubs and sub adults were killed, lionesses intimidated and lionesses seduced. Then there was only one S avoca vs 2 so he left. The missing avoca could very well have been killed by rival lions (most likely but unknown)and always the possibility of hunting accident and they have frikken snares to deal with.

(07-01-2024, 11:57 PM)Ngonya Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 11:40 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: @Ngonya this should be posted in Gijimas thread

sure, someone else should post there.

I was confused which thread to post it. 
And i shouldnt post something twice in different threads according to @BA0701

(07-02-2024, 03:25 PM)Ngonya Wrote: Nkhulu x Gijima
More info by Sabi Sabi:
"The Gijima males were found near Selati Camp in the company of the Msuthlu females following up on a big herd of buffalos grazing in the open area in front of the lodge.  They followed the herd until dark, but the buffaloes put up a strong fight and repeatedly chased the lions away. Eventually, the lions were overpowered and had to abandon their hunt.

Morning safari began quietly, the cool weather providing ideal conditions for the Gijima males and Msuthlu females to traverse the night. Their tracks, etched in the sand, revealed a change of plans, with the lions abandoning their buffalo trail and heading south. The Gijima males' tracks diverged eastward, while the Msuthlu females and their cubs settled just north of Bush Lodge.

As the morning progressed, distant roars from the east hinted at nearby males, their calls growing louder and demanding attention. Upon reaching the eastern stretches of our reserve, the two Gijima males emerged over the rise, moving west with palpable tension. Moments later, four Nkhuhlu males appeared, roaring and chasing the Gijimas.

The chase led into the reserve, culminating in an open area near Bush Lodge. The "smaller" Gijima male, typically overshadowed by his dominant brother, suddenly turned to confront the Nkhuhlu males. In a burst of fierce energy, he pinned one down, biting into limbs before driving the Nkhuhlu males back towards the eastern boundary, reasserting his territory. 

This fierce defence not only showcased the Gijima males' strength but also underscored their commitment to protecting the cubs just north of Bush Lodge, ensuring their safety amidst the constant threats from outsider males."

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(07-02-2024, 09:04 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Gijimas are doing something I don't think PCM or even legendary duos from the past like Mlowathi and S.Matimbas could.

They are up against 6-7 males and still doing incredibly well in clashes even after the Nkhulus became fully territorial.

(07-02-2024, 07:24 PM)I’m BA0701 Wrote:

(07-02-2024, 03:25 PM)Ngonya Wrote: Nkhulu x Gijima
More info by Sabi Sabi:
"The Gijima males were found near Selati Camp in the company of the Msuthlu females following up on a big herd of buffalos grazing in the open area in front of the lodge.  They followed the herd until dark, but the buffaloes put up a strong fight and repeatedly chased the lions away. Eventually, the lions were overpowered and had to abandon their hunt.

Morning safari began quietly, the cool weather providing ideal conditions for the Gijima males and Msuthlu females to traverse the night. Their tracks, etched in the sand, revealed a change of plans, with the lions abandoning their buffalo trail and heading south. The Gijima males' tracks diverged eastward, while the Msuthlu females and their cubs settled just north of Bush Lodge.

As the morning progressed, distant roars from the east hinted at nearby males, their calls growing louder and demanding attention. Upon reaching the eastern stretches of our reserve, the two Gijima males emerged over the rise, moving west with palpable tension. Moments later, four Nkhuhlu males appeared, roaring and chasing the Gijimas.

The chase led into the reserve, culminating in an open area near Bush Lodge. The "smaller" Gijima male, typically overshadowed by his dominant brother, suddenly turned to confront the Nkhuhlu males. In a burst of fierce energy, he pinned one down, biting into limbs before driving the Nkhuhlu males back towards the eastern boundary, reasserting his territory. 

This fierce defence not only showcased the Gijima males' strength but also underscored their commitment to protecting the cubs just north of Bush Lodge, ensuring their safety amidst the constant threats from outsider males."

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