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RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 04-12-2024
(04-12-2024, 09:58 PM)Robot00 Wrote: On that same token, how the heck does he survive from the onslaught of beasts that are the pcm and the styx boy couldnt survive them mangheni females. His death changed the whole landscape of sabi sands. So sad for him and even sadder for his bro bboy nkuhuma alone forever
It all depends where bite hits, 1 bite on artery can be fatal, while theres cases of lions looking like they where shot by machine gun and completley recovered after that.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Duco Ndona - 04-12-2024
It doesnt look too bad. The saliva, sweat and blood probably makes it look worse than it it.
Most male lions usually go for the spine, which is a easy and safe spot to attack. However, actually snaping the spine takes a good grip and lots of force. Which is why you often see those grizzly wounds on the back of lions after a fight. Those are the scars from all the usually unsuccessful attempts.
Another more effective spot that is often attacked is the groin. There are a lot of vital arteries there and damage to the testicles would quickly render the victim unable to fight, or if he survives ends unwilling to be compete.
However, its a very difficult target to actually hit. Which speaks of the skills of the Mangheni, or the bad luck on Sym's end.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Cath2020 - 04-13-2024
There is no proof the Mangheni bit him or was any way involved in the Styx Male's death. Guides even indicated it looked like it was probably done by a hyena and where a hyena would most likely target. Their bites have much more force and power, and the location where is was targeted is perfect for the sort of area they would go for. The bite(s) must have hit a major artery. Very unfortunate end for the short-lived coalition of him and the Nk Male. They even had their own name and everyone was hopeful about their future.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Ngonya - 04-13-2024
(04-13-2024, 04:42 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: There is no proof the Mangheni bit him or was any way involved in the Styx Male's death. Guides even indicated it looked like it was probably done by a hyenaYeah i remember reading about hyenas doing it back then, not sure.
Idk why most people are so sure that manghenis killed him, i really didnt knew about that until i saw people commenting here or in groups
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Mapokser - 04-13-2024
Hyena bites wouldn't even pierce the skin of an adult male lion unless he stands there and allows them to hold on him forever.
Contrary to popular belief, hyena bites aren't that strong, in fact they are considerably weaker than that of leopards, the 2007 bite force study by Christiansen & Wroe shows it.
Also, no clan of hyenas would even try to engage 2 male lions like Styx and Nkuhuma. While Manghenis being 6 would have been able to fight them off to protect the cubs.
It's already incredibly surprising that Styx died to lionesses, being killed by hyenas would be unheard of, hyenas even in big numbers rarely kill lone leopards or lionesses.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 04-13-2024
As @Mapokser says, chances that hyenas mortally wound pretty much adult male lion are basically 0..
Whole gruop of 10-20 hyenas dont dare to approach even 1 young male, let alone 2 ~5 yrs old male lions on a kill..
Only info we got is that 2 males engaged Mhangenis on a kill, and takeover that kill, next day Styx was found near by in pool of blood.
Mhangenis where agressive towards them at that time, as they had cubs from OM still alive.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 04-13-2024
(04-12-2024, 07:46 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: There’s a new report saying three males reunited w their sister but we still don’t know if it includes the injured male or K6 has reunited. Hoping to get pics soon.
Today few ig stories showing K4 alone in the north.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 04-13-2024
Lone K4 in the north, seen vocalizing:
Photo credits: Ryan Oosthuizen / Marius Zeilinga
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Not sure what that means, are they all still scattered, or if he is split.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Ngonya - 04-13-2024
(04-13-2024, 09:07 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Not sure what that means, are they all still scattered, or if he is split.Seems like hed calling for his brothers.
What are the chances of this being before 3 together again?
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - NLAL11 - 04-13-2024
(04-13-2024, 09:18 PM)Ngonya Wrote:(04-13-2024, 09:07 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Not sure what that means, are they all still scattered, or if he is split.Seems like hed calling for his brothers.
What are the chances of this being before 3 together again?
Or if the three reunited doesn't include K4. We'll have to wait and see how it unfolds.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 04-13-2024
(04-13-2024, 09:37 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:(04-13-2024, 09:18 PM)Ngonya Wrote:(04-13-2024, 09:07 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Not sure what that means, are they all still scattered, or if he is split.Seems like hed calling for his brothers.
What are the chances of this being before 3 together again?
Or if the three reunited doesn't include K4. We'll have to wait and see how it unfolds.
Oh, now we need more info. This would be great news for K6, but bad news for K4. This is a crazy story over the past few weeks.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 04-13-2024
(04-13-2024, 10:47 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Oh, now we need more info. This would be great news for K6, but bad news for K4. This is a crazy story over the past few weeks.
Yea, I hope that means K6 reunited with the rest.
I am not worried for K4, he has been a lot on his own, he is also in the north, where theres no threat of territorial males catching him.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - criollo2mil - 04-14-2024
Here’s the video of him up north
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - Cath2020 - 04-14-2024
(03-19-2024, 03:44 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(03-19-2024, 06:54 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: In N'was territory?! Hope they don't go for their natal pride...yikes. Repeat of the Tinswalow Males.
Not all Londolozi is N'ws territory.
(04-13-2024, 06:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Hyena bites wouldn't even pierce the skin of an adult male lion unless he stands there and allows them to hold on him forever.
Contrary to popular believe, hyena bites aren't that stronge, in fact they are considerably weaker than that of leopards, the 2007 bite force study by Christiansen & Wroe shows it.
Also, no clan of hyenas would even try to engage 2 male lions like Styx and Nkuhuma. While Manghenis being 6 would have been able to fight them off to protect the cubs.
It's already incredibly surprising that Styx died to lionesses, being killed by hyenas would be unheard of, hyenas even in big numbers rarely kill lone leopards or lionesses.
Your post is chock full of false/misleading information. The bite force of a spotted hyena is one of the greatest in the carnivorous animal kingdom. Why in the world would you assume the Styx merely stood, waiting to be bit?! That makes no sense, even to the lay person who knows nothing about these animals. However, if he was taken off guard, by surprise, while eating, or just at a moment where he was distracted by other hyenas/lions/etc... Then yes, he could have been put down by a well placed bite and bled out. Just like in a minor fight, one well-place blunt or penetrating trauma blow, can make someone go into hypovolemic shock and quickly die.
I guess the Guernsey Male just stood, waiting to be eaten alive by the Mbiris? How did this younger male, approaching his prime, be taken out like that by 2 older, raggedly looking lions? Yes, it did happen and stranger things have happened. Don't assume things about strength or lack thereof. At least say there's a possibility, not negate other options because they don't fit in with your view of how lions should behave. (Just like your disappointment with the male behavior of some lion coalitions) One of the MAJOR things that makes lions aggressive and successful is at least half mental/attitude/experience in how to deal with their adversaries, with brute strength taking a back seat.
You're going by one study vs those studies all over the Internet saying otherwise. Even a bear's bite is more forceful than a lion.
If the bite was in a perfect spot and at an opportune time, then yes, it can put a male lion down, believe it or not. So, it still stands to reason that a hyena bite was what could have put him down. Their bite force is unparalleled. That's why they are called, 'the bone crushers.' They hyena is in the top 10 of animals with the strongest bite force, of which the lion is not included. In fact, the lion's bite force is either half or not even half that of the hyena. I respect hyenas enough to know this fact and not assume they cannot wreck havoc in a small amount of time filled with mayhem at a kill site, attracting a good deal of carnivores.
RE: Birmingham Coalition Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 04-14-2024
Injured Kambula Spotted.