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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - adamstocks16 - 05-30-2024

How much older are K1 & K2 than their brothers? I would actually compare the Kambula situation with that of the Avocas, two older brothers were more developed and ahead in their growth as a result they left the pride earlier than their other brothers who weren’t quite ready yet. As for the Mr T/KT debate it was well documented that the main reason for their split was due to internal battles for dominance and being outmuscled by their brothers for food and mating opportunities. But saying that, Mr T & KT were both still strong males in their own right as proven in their ability to defend such a huge territory for so long, which they wouldn’t have been capable of doing if they didn’t have an extremely strong bond. Fighting between brothers for mating rights is always going to happen but it doesn’t mean they have a weaker bond, take the Plains Camp Males as an example for this. Also Hairy Belly was generally considered more dominant than Ginger but this did fluctuate quite a bit, particularly when they returned to Sabi Sands and Hairy Belly was in quite poor condition at the time.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - NLAL11 - 05-30-2024

(05-30-2024, 10:25 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote: How much older are K1 & K2 than their brothers? I would actually compare the Kambula situation with that of the Avocas, two older brothers were more developed and ahead in their growth as a result they left the pride earlier than their other brothers who weren’t quite ready yet. As for the Mr T/KT debate it was well documented that the main reason for their split was due to internal battles for dominance and being outmuscled by their brothers for food and mating opportunities. But saying that, Mr T & KT were both still strong males in their own right as proven in their ability to defend such a huge territory for so long, which they wouldn’t have been capable of doing if they didn’t have an extremely strong bond. Fighting between brothers for mating rights is always going to happen but it doesn’t mean they have a weaker bond, take the Plains Camp Males as an example for this. Also Hairy Belly was generally considered more dominant than Ginger but this did fluctuate quite a bit, particularly when they returned to Sabi Sands and Hairy Belly was in quite poor condition at the time.

They're barely older. According to Mala Mala all the 2018 lot were born from June - September. So they are max 3 months older.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - afortich - 05-30-2024

(05-30-2024, 07:29 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(05-30-2024, 02:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Original video of Talamati vs BDM:



Will be interesting to see what happens with Talamati in the north.

NK subs are still avoiding PCMs, so that plays in his hand as he can hang with them.

I guess his future here will be determined if PCMs will completly overtake NKs and the north, or just part of it.

In theory he could become territorial male in the north if PCMs dont fully commit and if Kambulas move and stay in Manyeleti, altough not sure how long would that last being surrounded by bigger coalition.

Such a shame he lost his brother, who was even more impressive and confident (although i somehow suspect that was his downfall in the south), on paper they would become formidable duo if work as unit.

The commentary with this video, the comments of the OP, state that after this interaction, Khanya then went to be with the pride. This makes things even more confusing, for me anyhow. So, was he with the pride when the BDM approached, was he defending what he now see as his pride, was the BDM returning to what he believes is his pride, if so, doe he now see Khanya as being dominant over the Nkuhumas as well? So many questions on what happened here.

Nice observations my friend @BA0701. Now, I have the same questions Wink

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ttimemarti - 05-30-2024

K1 born in I think June or July k2 born in August 3 4 and 5 in September All 2018

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 05-30-2024

K1 was born in June, K2 August, K3, K4, K5 September, K6 May 2019.

K1 and K2 are just build different, they were born to rule, their brothers are lucky they are 4, otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance at becoming territorial unless they were as lucky as the S.BDM were, but even then, BDM couldn't even rule for 1 year.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - adamstocks16 - 05-30-2024

K2 in particular has become quite an impressive male but we also can’t forget the role of their third partner, the Pretoriuskop Male. It clearly has helped them along in their path to dominance. Is the Pretorisukop Male around the same age as them or slightly older?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-31-2024

(05-30-2024, 10:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: K1 and K2 are just build different, they were born to rule, their brothers are lucky they are 4, otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance at becoming territorial unless they were as lucky as the S.BDM were, but even then, BDM couldn't even rule for 1 year.

Comparing coalitions in completley different situations and scenarios cant be done like that.

They actually joined 3rd male and become territorial as a coalition of 3, we have too little to none info about 2 older Kambulas to say they are "born to rule".

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-31-2024

(05-30-2024, 11:57 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Is the Pretorisukop Male around the same age as them or slightly older?

Prob slightly older.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - adamstocks16 - 05-31-2024

If that is indeed the case that would point more towards the Pretoriuskop Male taking charge and leading the Kambulas as opposed to the other way around. Although with the limited sightings it’s quite difficult to establish the exact dynamics in the coalition.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - RookiePundit - 05-31-2024

(05-31-2024, 12:08 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(05-30-2024, 10:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: K1 and K2 are just build different, they were born to rule, their brothers are lucky they are 4, otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance at becoming territorial unless they were as lucky as the S.BDM were, but even then, BDM couldn't even rule for 1 year.

Comparing coalitions in completley different situations and scenarios cant be done like that.

They actually joined 3rd male and become territorial as a coalition of 3, we have too little to none info about 2 older Kambulas to say they are "born to rule".

They showed signs though. Like when their pride and Mohawks were on a kill and Mohawk swatted one of their siblings, the two immediately were having none of it and reacted in a way (sort of charging him side by side from the other side of the carcass) that resulted in Mohawked being pushed off from a kill. Kambulas were still subs back then and Mohawk was in good if not top shape. K1 and K2 were very impressive in that sighting, reacting together with no hesitation, showing great bond already. Good that they find each other in Kruger later and didn't end up separeted like they were for a time. And got themselves a useful buddy on top of that.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Ngonya - 05-31-2024

(05-31-2024, 12:08 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Comparing coalitions in completley different situations and scenarios cant be done like that.
Sabi Sand Kambula scenario is way easier then two young males roaming around Kruger.

4 big impressive males, outnumbering every single coalition in the areas they visit.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-31-2024

(05-31-2024, 12:53 AM)Ngonya Wrote: Sabi Sand Kambula scenario is way easier then two young males roaming around Kruger.

4 big impressive males, outnumbering every single coalition in the areas they visit.

Maybe is, maybe is not, different scenario and situation.

And again, 2 Kambulas joined 1 more male, they are coalition of 3, for which we have 0 info how they become territorial, who their competition was, if any, their dynamics and did they actually have hard road or not.

So comparing the 2, without any info about Kruger Kambulas, is quite a strech.

I dont like comparisons like this : " look, these 4 males didnt become territorial in certain area, but look these 2 become territorial in completley different area, they must be so superior lions".

Its not as simple as that, theres many factors involved.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 05-31-2024

Yeah. Older Kambulas were very bold by splitting and going to Kruger. Even if they joined a third male, they are still 3, not 4, and are dominant for many many months by now, while their 4 brothers in a much easier area having twice the numbers of every other coalition, are still nomads.

Also we had seen their partner beaten from mating rights fights, as well as winning a lioness once, so at the very least he is not particularly more dominant than the others necessarily.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - adamstocks16 - 05-31-2024

Agree with @Tr1x24 here. The fact their sister is still hanging with them is also a factor that needs to be taken into account. Yes, it’s true they have been quite slow in their development (aside from K4) but couldn’t this argument also be made with Casper and his bros? If I remember rightly they didn’t become dominant until they were 6/7 years old and they were also a coalition of 4.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 05-31-2024

Its probably more that they are overhyped and people and expected far to much of them. People saw a big coalition and automatically assumed that they were going to be the new Mapogos and all that. Becouse being a warrior is what a lion is supposed to be. 

But in reality they are just animals trying to live a happy life. If for them that means just wandering around for now. Then there is no reason for them to throw themselves into battles.