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Jaguar and Leopard are same!!

India Vinay Offline
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(11-27-2016, 11:11 AM)Polar Wrote: @Vinay,

About the rose-spots, jaguars usually have thicker spots with larger diameters inside their rosettes. Some leopard subspecies (or individuals even) might have spots inside their rosettes, but these spots are quite miniscule in size and not as large as those of the jaguar.

This is typical Jaguar.The difference is few dots inside rosettes on STOMACH PART only (like few Indian leopard above)!!

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These small bodily changes according to their surroundings is common in cats.
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United States Polar Offline
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@Vinay,

Regardless of environmental circumstances, notice how the jaguars have more rosettes with spots, and how these spots are fuller, thicker in diameter than those of the leopards.
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India Vinay Offline
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( This post was last modified: 11-27-2016, 11:48 AM by Vinay )

(11-27-2016, 11:26 AM)Polar Wrote: @Vinay,

Regardless of environmental circumstances, notice how the jaguars have more rosettes with spots, and how these spots are fuller, thicker in diameter than those of the leopards.

I think you know Tigers 

Siberian  : Lite Orange-yellow coat with brown stripes          -185 kg
Bengal    : Medium Orange coat with  black stripes               -222 kg
Sumatra : Thick Orange coat with thick black stripes           -120 kg

Are they three different species??
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@Vinay,

They are certainly different subspecies, but not completely different species. Enivronment and genetic changes are the two answers.
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India Vinay Offline
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( This post was last modified: 11-27-2016, 05:55 PM by Vinay )

Yes Polar

btw Found this interesting opinion on .......  My assumption is also same. 

NORTH CHINESE LEOPARD

North China Leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis) is a subspecies of leopards native to northern China. This leopard is so rare that it is almost never seen in the wild. The North China leopard is a medium sized leopard. The rosette pattern of the North Chinese leopard almost resembles a jaguar pattern. It has longer fur than other leopard subspecies and has the darkest coat of all leopard subspecies. They have darker orange background fur than other leopard subspecies. 

Biggest Jaguar weighted by Scientific community was 119 kg.Roughly, Average weight of Male Jaguar is 80 Kg and Leopard is 60 Kg.This may be the reason behind more dots inside leopard rosette.



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2.There is only one region where leopards are Apex predators and never faced big crocodiles(Nile,Mugger and Salt) are 'Persian leopards'. If they show fondness of water and their size is big wrt the rest of leopards, my theory is correct.  Lol
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( This post was last modified: 11-27-2016, 08:01 PM by Pckts )

There are much larger weights than 119kg for jaguars so that statement is incorrect.
You're showing a skull size chart and ignoring the actual verified jaguar weights. Also, a leopards average isnt 60kg, the large males that have been weighed recently rarely even hit 70kg, so 60kg is a large size for them, compare to over 115kg for large jaguars and more than that even.
Also, find me any leopard skulls that match the jaguar skulls listed.
Because a Persian leopard has similar spots to a jaguar, not the same mind you, that means what? 
The morphological and genetic differences are still there and easily recognizable same with the their coat patterns and color.

Lastly, even if Persian leopards did show "a fondness to water" your theory would certainly still not be correct. The amount of info against your theory is overwhelming compared to you saying... "the dots are similar and they both like water, they must be the same." You're going to need scientific data, not you personal opionion.
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( This post was last modified: 11-27-2016, 08:04 PM by brotherbear )

This is silly; it's like saying an American black bear and an Asiatic black bear are the same bear. In both cases ( bears and spotted cats ), the differences are staggering. Two different big cats. They even have different kill-methods!
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The fact that the jaguar and leopard are distant, distinct species has never been up for debate since the dawn of phylogeny. Today, molecular and morphological studies reaffirm the distinction. At Wildfact, we base our discussions off science and not pseudoscience. Thus, those who may hold a different view regarding this topic are free to do so, but this is not the place for them to share such thoughts until an open mind and concrete data are brought to the table.

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