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( This post was last modified: 02-25-2015, 01:34 AM by TheLioness )

I'm sure they probably have weighed him, 640 sounds more like a real answer than a normal number like 600 or 500 ect.

http://www.llu.edu/dentistry/news/index....ry_id=1032

~Dr. Tataryn was chosen to treat the 650-pound lion, not only for his proximity and professional expertise, but because he had a portable root canal surgery setup. Nevertheless, he had to special order 5-inch files to clean and shape the canal systems sufficiently deep to treat Zamba’s compromised teeth, the largest dental procedure he has ever attempted.

Probably needed to weigh to know how much to give him to put him to sleep.
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(02-25-2015, 01:19 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: I'm sure they probably have weighed him, 640 sounds more like a real answer than a normal number like 600 or 500 ect.

http://www.llu.edu/dentistry/news/index....ry_id=1032

~Dr. Tataryn was chosen to treat the 650-pound lion, not only for his proximity and professional expertise, but because he had a portable root canal surgery setup. Nevertheless, he had to special order 5-inch files to clean and shape the canal systems sufficiently deep to treat Zamba’s compromised teeth, the largest dental procedure he has ever attempted.

Probably needed to weigh to know how much to give him to put him to sleep.

 

They estimate weight when treating a cat. Thats why sometimes they need multiple doses, if any animal is weighed, there is a scale on site, the facility will have images and actual verified people to confirm the wieght. With Doc from Noahs ark, his weight is confirmed, images of the scales # and him being scaled are shown.
640 or 650lbs for a lion with it not being obeses just don't occur. You would be saying that a captive animal would some how be larger than any wild lion ever, without it being obese?
Every captive animal that has a massive weight always has some fat to it, we all know you cannot compare a wild cats body to a captive one. You would be saying that captive, normal sized lion is larger than any wild lion you have ever seen in any image?

 Also, nice video @TheLioness but not a chance that lion is even close to 600lbs or even 500lbs, it was never weighed, at least according to the video.
It is not especially large, tall or long. Just has a massive mane which is normal in captivity.
"Recently this School of Dentistry alumnus was asked to perform two root canals on a famous Barbary lion. Zamba, the former MGM actor and source of the studio’s trademark movie-opening roar, was suffering at his retirement placement in Cat Tales Zoological Park from the result of two right canine teeth broken off at the gum line, exposing the nerves. The tissue around the lower cuspid tooth was infected and puss laden."
This was a general Dentist who performed the root canal, not a biologist. The weight was given as a "wow factor" its no surprise to see overestimates. They happen all the time in captivity.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZjBCk9Xh4

This is a video of a 250 kg lion, not obese. You've accepted tiger weights that zookeepers have said on videos before, lion of 600 pounds or more in captivity is not unheard of.
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(02-25-2015, 01:19 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: I'm sure they probably have weighed him, 640 sounds more like a real answer than a normal number like 600 or 500 ect.

http://www.llu.edu/dentistry/news/index....ry_id=1032

~Dr. Tataryn was chosen to treat the 650-pound lion, not only for his proximity and professional expertise, but because he had a portable root canal surgery setup. Nevertheless, he had to special order 5-inch files to clean and shape the canal systems sufficiently deep to treat Zamba’s compromised teeth, the largest dental procedure he has ever attempted.

Probably needed to weigh to know how much to give him to put him to sleep.

 

That lion is quite tall, but he doesn't seem to have the bulkiness that pushes him toward the 300kg boundary.

Just like some captive Amurs, despite being very tall, but they were not exceptional heavy.

I've seen some non-obese male lions being close to 300kg, but they were indeed being more bulky than that tall male lion.
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Yeah i agree he doesnt look bulky as what he shoul be, could be 500 lbs or so.
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(02-25-2015, 08:53 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: Yeah i agree he doesnt look bulky as what he shoul be, could be 500 lbs or so.

 

The male lion at the post #396 looks more like a legit 650 pounder.

He could be at the same league with this giant Amur tiger.


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This is great because there is a human for scaling purposes.  I suppose he could be a midget, but he looks sort of average to me.

Therefore, this seems to be a freakishly tall cat and worthy of his placing in the sacred hall of Freak Specimens. 

Now as far as his claimed weight of "about 640 pounds" goes...   While not as bulky as some, he is certainly more bulky than others.  If we are to believe ANY of the claimed 800 pound big cats as legit, this particular cat's combination of exceptional height with even average bulk SHOULD be a reasonable recipe for a big cat "about" 150 pounds lighter.  Right?

There is a tiger 2 or 3 enclosures to the left that you can see early in the video.  I wonder what the keeper would have said was his "about" weight.
 
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(02-25-2015, 07:19 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZjBCk9Xh4

This is a video of a 250 kg lion, not obese. You've accepted tiger weights that zookeepers have said on videos before, lion of 600 pounds or more in captivity is not unheard of.

 

Thats Aslan and he is weighed on camera. The tiger who is weighed on the same video is 206kg and looks much skinnier, I accept weights when confirmed like aslan since its confirmed. I don't except random weights from articles about dentistry when the animal is not weighed. Even still, Aslan looks much larger than either lions shown and he is 250kg. 300kg lion would look like a freak of nature just like a 350kg tiger, unless of course they are a bit obese. These lions would be another 110lbs heavier than Aslan while being skinny and not any larger framed, if anything they are smaller in the frame than aslan. Imagine what a real 300kg lion who wasn't obese would look like. You are talking about the largest Lion any of us would ever see, wild or captive. Outside of some pretty skeptical claims.

 
That lion above while being tall is certainly not very long or thick. Since lions and tigers get their extreme weight from body length and robustness, shoulder height doesn't necessarily mean a heavy cat. He is a large cat, no doubt about it, but not a chance that cat is 300kg imo.
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Tall but Skinny Tiger at 4:20 or so




Fat Tiger alleged to be 800lbs
This yahoo also states that "the Amur tiger kills polar bears"
Just goes to show you that any moron can keep a Tiger.




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Those fat captive specimens are mostly Amur/Bengal hybrids.

Since those large purebred specimens would be mostly muscular but very fit and lean.
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I definitely don't consider any of the captive specimens to be as "fit or Lean" as a wild counterpart. Even Jaipar or Baikal have less muscle mass a more fat than their wild counter parts. Same with harbin park, its only natural for them to be not as fit. But it doesn't mean they are not monstrous cats.

 
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Jaipur is a fatass, while Baikal is quite fit as you can see he was also an excellent tree climber during the days of his youth.

Some captive specimens can also look great in shape, but just overall not as good as the wild specimens.
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I use Doc at Noahs ark as the perfect example of a beautiful Captive cat

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He was 520+lbs at 3 years old. He just Turned 4 a few days ago

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He is muscular and massive with that slight belly the captive cats get. He is young so as his metabolism slows he will begin to get heavier and fatter most likely. But right now, he is as fit as any captive tiger I have seen. I'm sure when he is around 5-8 he will be pushing the 275kg category but I think he looks at his best right now.

 
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