(11-30-2020, 08:28 AM)Gijima Wrote: @BA0701 Sabi Sands (and all of Kruger) definitely has anti poaching units. The Timbavati used to allow trophy hunting so I’m wondering when they say “poached” do they mean hunted with full knowledge of the reserve? The Giraffe Male incident, like was mentioned here, is definitely more sketchy and I hope they are doing a better job fixing those fence so male lions don’t keep going “missing”. 

Here’s a good article I read from the Timbavati’s perspective ... it seems like they have stopped trophy hunting of lions, but I’m sure there are many bordering areas that still engage in illegal hunting and some of these anti poaching units can also be fairly corrupt.  :-/

https://www.conservationfrontlines.org/2020/04/staying-in-the-game-financing-the-timbavati-private-nature-reserve/

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

(11-30-2020, 08:22 PM)Potato Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

That poaching is not supported by reserve or allowed by it doesn't mean it can not exist. There always will be some lawbreakers.

(11-30-2020, 08:28 PM)Gijima Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:22 PM)Potato Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

That poaching is not supported by reserve or allowed by it doesn't mean it can not exist. There always will be some lawbreakers.

There was definitely legal trophy hunting in that area until recently.. looks like it was Umbabat, but they killed the wrong lion and it caused a huge controversy: https://africageographic.com/stories/skye-lion-beginning-end-trophy-hunting-greater-kruger/

@Potato I think you’re right that they completely stopped this now but during the old Birmingham Male days it was still going on. I’m not sure the Timbavati was part of the Kruger at that point. They might have still been partially fenced in

(12-01-2020, 02:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @TinoArmando my friend, I know you have a lot of knowledge about Timbavati and the surrounding areas. Do you know what lion named "Big Boy" would have been in Thornybush around 2018, would that be Charleston?

(12-01-2020, 02:51 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 02:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @TinoArmando my friend, I know you have a lot of knowledge about Timbavati and the surrounding areas. Do you know what lion named "Big Boy" would have been in Thornybush around 2018, would that be Charleston?

Definitely not Charleston, idk which male was called there like that.

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

(12-01-2020, 04:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

Yeah, I wasn't trying to resurrect an old topic, merely trying to identify the lion involved. Thank you my friend!