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RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 09-15-2018
(09-15-2018, 04:46 PM)qstxyz Wrote: Wow just very glad to see you guys interest my work :)
Thanks @GuateGojira @Wolverine @Jimmy @epaiva to correct the info of that pic
Like I said, I made it 3 or 4 years ago just for fun, that time was before I knew wildfact, so my work now belong to our forum, like all pics, study, news and knowledge that you guys share in our forum
---> so feel free to edit and discuss, I always follow you guys and our Cats!
PS: The honor is mine to see you guys discuss about my pics! This time I'm very busy, but if I have time I will make some digital art pics about our Great Cats, I swear!!!
Is a pleasure to have a great artist with us! Let's work together, I will share my information and data and you will make the excelent artwork.
Take your time, I understand you as I also have few time to post.
RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 09-16-2018
Ok, I made an investigation about the size of the Eurasian lynx and most of the sorces give a greatest head-body of 108 cm and a total length of 130 cm. Some sources wrongly quote this as a head-body, but that is not correct.
Using Tumlison (1987), Heptner & Sludskii (1992) and Sunquist & Sunquist (2002), the figures of over 110 cm are normally total lengths. Tumlison (1987) quotes the total length of 154.5 cm (tail of 24.5 cm) but this seems to be a "over curves" or skin length, because the measurements from the "flesh" are always smaller. This suggest that the head-body of 1480 mm from Sunquist book is, in fact, a total length. I could not found the original source (is in German) but in base of all the information, specially all the samples provided by Heptner & Sludskii (1992), this is my conclution.
About the weights, the large lynx captured by Dr John Goodrich in Sikhote Alin, is the heaviest one in scientific documents, that I could found:
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However @Pantherinae and @StefanC reported a large specimen of 34 kg. Check it in post No. 5: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-small-wild-cats
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Here is the largest specimen that I found in the web:
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Sadly, there is no information of length or weight.
These two last lynx are as large as an average puma or a leopard, but smaller in weight, that is all.
However, if you take a steel tape and try to put it in your body, you will see that these large lynx are no larger than 110 cm measured in straight line, so with this pictures it seems that the record of 108 cm for a male in head-body is the largest correctly measured. I am going to make the change in the comparison image.
RE: Size comparisons - qstxyz - 09-16-2018
(09-15-2018, 09:48 PM)GuateGojira Wrote:Yeah! Thanks for your praise and totally agree with you!(09-15-2018, 04:46 PM)qstxyz Wrote: Wow just very glad to see you guys interest my work :)
Thanks @GuateGojira @Wolverine @Jimmy @epaiva to correct the info of that pic
Like I said, I made it 3 or 4 years ago just for fun, that time was before I knew wildfact, so my work now belong to our forum, like all pics, study, news and knowledge that you guys share in our forum
---> so feel free to edit and discuss, I always follow you guys and our Cats!
PS: The honor is mine to see you guys discuss about my pics! This time I'm very busy, but if I have time I will make some digital art pics about our Great Cats, I swear!!!
Is a pleasure to have a great artist with us! Let's work together, I will share my information and data and you will make the excelent artwork.
Take your time, I understand you as I also have few time to post.
That's excellent idea
I'm very very glad to turn the boring data into interesting graphics artwork. Just my occupational habit, the combination of technique and art is a requirement for my career haha
And maybe our admin and moderators should think about building a big data library of Bigcats based on the huge amount of knowledge provide by our Great Members throughout all the Great topics.
Seriously, I think our research in wildfact need to be systematically rebuilt in a library or even a book (!?)
RE: Size comparisons - Wolverine - 09-17-2018
(09-16-2018, 11:07 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: These two last lynx are as large as an average puma or a leopard, but smaller in weight, that is all.
That's the paradox of Eurasian lynx - its a big cat in size but small in weight. Obviously body and bone structure of lynx are quite different from Pantherinae cats. I guess the bones of this cat are also light but this need a more detailed research. For the lynxes as the most northern of cats obviously the main direction of evolution was to keep the capability to kill relatively large prey but in same time to not allow the cat to sink in 1-2 meters deep snow. Every extra weight in such a conditions is extra burden. I dont say that lynx is made from polystyrene but....
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Probably that's why lynx even got rid of long tail in order to diminish its weight, the tail of cats from this genus somehow resemble the short tails of saber-teeth cats.
Here arise philosophical question what means "large" and "big"? Who is larger - Eurasian lynx or snow leopard? Eurasian lynx probably is bit larger in size or at least equal, while snow leopard is almost twice more massive due to more stocky and robust body structure.
RE: Size comparisons - Rage2277 - 09-28-2018
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https://www.redyaguarete.org.ar/en/education-and-diffusion/presence-and-activity-of-jaguar-panthera-onca-and-puma-puma-concolor-in-salto-encantado-provincial-park-and-surroundings-misiones-argentina/
RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 10-07-2018
Big Cats comparison - Review:
Ok ladies and gentlemen, here is the comparative image of the large cats over 25 kg, with the corrected images and information, remember that the images are scaled with the largest specimens recorded:
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I corrected the extreme size of the Eurasian lynx, corrected the image of the Iberian lynx in the length section and changed the lion image for a full side view one. Also I used the scale to correct all the sizes, including that of the human.
I know that the lynx still looks very large, but like @Wolverine said, this cat is completelly diferent from the "normal" cat body plan, been slender and light, long legged and with a heavy coat.
Remember, this images have only measurements recorded by scientists (except for the hunting records). Feel free to ask and if someone have more information, will be appreciated.
Disclamer: The images and design were made by @qstxyz, the information in the image came from my research.
RE: Size comparisons - qstxyz - 10-07-2018
(10-07-2018, 04:18 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: Big Cats comparison - Review:Bravo! Absolutely incredible!
Ok ladies and gentlemen, here is the comparative image of the large cats over 25 kg, with the corrected images and information, remember that the images are scaled with the largest specimens recorded:
*This image is copyright of its original author
I corrected the extreme size of the Eurasian lynx, corrected the image of the Iberian lynx in the length section and changed the lion image for a full side view one. Also I used the scale to correct all the sizes, including that of the human.
I know that the lynx still looks very large, but like @Wolverine said, this cat is completelly diferent from the "normal" cat body plan, been slender and light, long legged and with a heavy coat.
Remember, this images have only measurements recorded by scientists (except for the hunting records). Feel free to ask and if someone have more information, will be appreciated.
Disclamer: The images and design were made by @qstxyz, the information in the image came from my research.
It's a great honor to be able to see my product become the resource of our great forum!
RE: Size comparisons - Shadow - 10-13-2018
(09-17-2018, 10:28 AM)Wolverine Wrote:Our lynxes are usually around 20 kg, time to time in hunting there are individuals +25 kg. Actually pretty difficult to find information about biggest ones, even though those are hunted every year and usually hunters like to keep statistics. If I find something, I will share it.(09-16-2018, 11:07 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: These two last lynx are as large as an average puma or a leopard, but smaller in weight, that is all.
That's the paradox of Eurasian lynx - its a big cat in size but small in weight. Obviously body and bone structure of lynx are quite different from Pantherinae cats. I guess the bones of this cat are also light but this need a more detailed research. For the lynxes as the most northern of cats obviously the main direction of evolution was to keep the capability to kill relatively large prey but in same time to not allow the cat to sink in 1-2 meters deep snow. Every extra weight in such a conditions is extra burden. I dont say that lynx is made from polystyrene but....
*This image is copyright of its original author
Probably that's why lynx even got rid of long tail in order to diminish its weight, the tail of cats from this genus somehow resemble the short tails of saber-teeth cats.
Here arise philosophical question what means "large" and "big"? Who is larger - Eurasian lynx or snow leopard? Eurasian lynx probably is bit larger in size or at least equal, while snow leopard is almost twice more massive due to more stocky and robust body structure.
RE: Size comparisons - Shadow - 10-13-2018
(09-15-2018, 07:59 AM)Wolverine Wrote: Jimmy I don't talk about clouded leopard. Again I can confirm that Eurasian lynxes in our zoo look taller than leopards, even I know that is kind of optical illusion, in same time their body is quite shorter but fluffy. Long legs of lynx allow him to walk in deep snow, its paws look almost weirdly giant for such a small body and allow to lynx to not sink in the snow.What comes to long legs, usually lynx is able to walk so, that it doesn´t sink in snow. In extremely soft snow it can sink and pretty deeply, but that is not what it likes :) Walking or leaping in soft and deep snow isn´t economical, so all animals avoid it if/when they can. Only animal which I remember to move in way, which looks uneconomical, is wolverine. And it is just coincidence, that this reply is to wolverine!
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Eurasian lynx is much larger than Canadian, probably due to the fact that cougar in North America limits the size of lynx, same as cougars in jaguar country tend to be smaller. In northern Eurasia however lynx is the largest cat... In some European countries such a Slovakia people called it a "Carpatian tiger", which is funy for an animal with average weight of males of only 24 kg.... Same as in US cougars a called a mountain "lions" due to the absence of real lions.
Concerning clouded leopard don't know what to think, can't agree nor disagree with the images, its a bit terra incognita for me, probably looks a bit small. Maximum weight of Eurasian lynx is 40 kg, what is maximum weight of the clouded cat? In wiki is written 23 kg.
RE: Size comparisons - Pckts - 10-16-2018
Some incredible images from the camera traps in San Miguelito Jaguar Reservé.
By visiting you are helping us promote eco tourism on ranches which can reduce the amount of Jaguars and Pumas killed by Cattle farmers .
www.nicksadventuresbolivia.com
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RE: Size comparisons - eagleman - 10-24-2018
Eurasian lynxes from Romania are as big as any siberian or scandinavian individuals. Like this one
RE: Size comparisons - brotherbear - 10-24-2018
Post #205... are these pictures in correct size relation with each other?
RE: Size comparisons - Pckts - 10-24-2018
(10-24-2018, 09:35 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Post #205... are these pictures in correct size relation with each other?
Look to be different camera traps judging from the background
RE: Size comparisons - Wolverine - 10-26-2018
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RE: Size comparisons - Jimmy - 12-06-2018
i have on different occasion come across animal comparisons and face offs between different animals, As much as i hate discussing versus issues, One case is that between american bison and water buffalo. Time and again i have seen that water buffalo is given points solely for the size of the horns and literally nothing else, supposedly other things like legs and body design is nothing notably great or even vastly inferior while for American Bisons, obviously it is stated that they have huge muscular shoulders, great pushing power/thrust and powerfully built. I can safely say Wild water buffalo just does not look huge on photos without anything for comparision (i have seen them in the wild and zoos), due to their very well proportions design, naked body, no hump, no skin folds or dewlaps, no defined muscles etc while bison look absolutely enormous- huge hairy heads, beared, their forequarters just bulges as it comes forward from their tapering back, exaggerating the entire mass. people often overllok buffalo due to these facts and for bison it's huge forequarters and hump distracts every other thing. So i tried to photoshop and observe their different physic side by side. These are the two candidates-
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even, in these photos, on its own, water buffalo does not look like great big bovine, bison do-pretty humongous to be fair, so lets compare them side by side
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first, i made the buffalo slightly lower at the shoulder than bison-only my assumption, maybe they are equal. i put a circle at the back of the same size to show their difference in size, same thing i did with the thickness of legs-the lines show that water buffalo has pretty thick legs and back, the forelegs of the bison is hidden so i left as it is, the beard and hairs on the front and top of the bison gives an incredible illusion, i looked at the anatomy and put a line to indicate the actual size of the head. see the skeletal below, the top of the skull slightly raised above the baseline of it's horns.
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just to compare the back legs, the two bovines have completely different design. just for the information, as bison are taken as having a strong pushing power, Buffaloes are known as the 'tractors of rural Asia'- they have incredible pulling power, unlike cattles, buffaloes can negotiate and plough through knee-deep mud due to their thick legs and hooves, so the people who compare these two 'deceptive' bovines should look into more details before arguing their case.
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from the same photo above, just the back legs this time!