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RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 05-13-2019
powerful adversary? a leopard's power is nothing like a lion's the'y're not in the same league..a house cat could fend off a lion on a good day,does that make it a powerful adversary? of course not if either one of those lionesses were committed they would crush him with minimal injury
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-13-2019
(05-13-2019, 12:21 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I hate the 'losing interest' argument. It's like saying they let the leopard live while all the credits go to the male in this case.
(05-13-2019, 07:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: powerful adversary? a leopard's power is nothing like a lion's the'y're not in the same league..a house cat could fend off a lion on a good day,does that make it a powerful adversary? of course not if either one of those lionesses were committed they would crush him with minimal injury
I reckon it's kinda between both these statements.
I doubt that the lionesses had any intention of sparing him. They went in for the whatever would come easy... killing, mauling, injuring. It'd be safe to assume they weren't willing to lose an eye or ear for it.
They leopard did do his part in the lionesses "losing interest", they usually do in these cases (seems somewhat commoner than i thought earlier), but that's it...
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 05-13-2019
(05-13-2019, 08:06 PM)Rishi Wrote:(05-13-2019, 12:21 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I hate the 'losing interest' argument. It's like saying they let the leopard live while all the credits go to the male in this case.(05-13-2019, 07:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: powerful adversary? a leopard's power is nothing like a lion's the'y're not in the same league..a house cat could fend off a lion on a good day,does that make it a powerful adversary? of course not if either one of those lionesses were committed they would crush him with minimal injury
I reckon it's kinda between both these statements.
I doubt that the lionesses had any intention of sparing him. They went in for the whatever would come easy... killing, mauling, injuring. It'd be safe to assume they weren't willing to lose an eye or ear for it.
They leopard did do his part in the lionesses "losing interest", they usually do in these cases (seems somewhat commoner than i thought earlier), but that's it...
Yes, I agree with that too. Leopard is no joke and that helps it to flee many times with bigger cousins. It can hurt lions and tigers even though naturally all energy in such situations is to find a way to flee as soon as possible. Naturally it is one thing to cause some pain/wounds and be able to flee and totally another one is if bigger cat for some reason turns out enraged too and gives also all it has. Leopard can´t afford to be there if that happens :)
But not many so much smaller animals are able to flee from lions and tigers even after short fight, so leopard for sure deserves certain respect, I think. Usually when biggest cats are all over something it is game over.
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 05-13-2019
(05-13-2019, 08:06 PM)Rishi Wrote:though i do think lions rarely commit to killing them it has to do with the leopards ferocity and will to survive not power(05-13-2019, 12:21 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I hate the 'losing interest' argument. It's like saying they let the leopard live while all the credits go to the male in this case.(05-13-2019, 07:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: powerful adversary? a leopard's power is nothing like a lion's the'y're not in the same league..a house cat could fend off a lion on a good day,does that make it a powerful adversary? of course not if either one of those lionesses were committed they would crush him with minimal injury
I reckon it's kinda between both these statements.
I doubt that the lionesses had any intention of sparing him. They went in for the whatever would come easy... killing, mauling, injuring. It'd be safe to assume they weren't willing to lose an eye or ear for it.
They leopard did do his part in the lionesses "losing interest", they usually do in these cases (seems somewhat commoner than i thought earlier), but that's it...
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 05-13-2019
(05-13-2019, 09:34 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:(05-13-2019, 08:06 PM)Rishi Wrote:though i do think lions rarely commit to killing them it has to do with the leopards ferocity and will to survive not power(05-13-2019, 12:21 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I hate the 'losing interest' argument. It's like saying they let the leopard live while all the credits go to the male in this case.(05-13-2019, 07:03 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: powerful adversary? a leopard's power is nothing like a lion's the'y're not in the same league..a house cat could fend off a lion on a good day,does that make it a powerful adversary? of course not if either one of those lionesses were committed they would crush him with minimal injury
I reckon it's kinda between both these statements.
I doubt that the lionesses had any intention of sparing him. They went in for the whatever would come easy... killing, mauling, injuring. It'd be safe to assume they weren't willing to lose an eye or ear for it.
They leopard did do his part in the lionesses "losing interest", they usually do in these cases (seems somewhat commoner than i thought earlier), but that's it...
To put some humor and perspective to this, can someone imagine a leopard daring to do what this male lion does for lioness in this hilarious footage :) I mean in this situation any smaller animal is close to death
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 05-14-2019
Tigers TV Korea:
Impressive captive tigers !
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 05-14-2019
@Shadow :
About #275: This lady has a volcanic awakening !
Apart from that, perhaps it's an illusion, but this male lion is rather big, powerful, I find...
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 05-14-2019
(05-14-2019, 11:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #275: This lady has a volcanic awakening !
Apart from that, perhaps it's an illusion, but this male lion is rather big, powerful, I find...
That male for sure looks like to be a big one and in good shape, I agree. When thinking a lion weighing anything between 200-250 kg, this is what I would expect it to look like. When comparing this to one captive lion weighing 250 kg, appearance is quite similar in many ways. Do you remember that video where is that big male jumping. Staff say on video, that it is 250 kg and pantherinae who has been working in that zoo also said, that when he was there and it was weighed, it was 255 kg.
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 05-15-2019
(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Shadow Wrote:Yes, I remind this lion ! A lion from a Scandinavian zoo, more precisely from Norway or Finland isn't it ? Yes it was a beautiful male lion, a beautiful captive male lion for sure... Because in terms of strength and vigour he would be unable to withstand more than 2 minutes against this one of the video... I refuse to compare captive animals with the wild ones, it's completely an other league. But yes, as you say, appearence is quite similar in many ways, appearance...(05-14-2019, 11:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #275: This lady has a volcanic awakening !
Apart from that, perhaps it's an illusion, but this male lion is rather big, powerful, I find...
That male for sure looks like to be a big one and in good shape, I agree. When thinking a lion weighing anything between 200-250 kg, this is what I would expect it to look like. When comparing this to one captive lion weighing 250 kg, appearance is quite similar in many ways. Do you remember that video where is that big male jumping. Staff say on video, that it is 250 kg and pantherinae who has been working in that zoo also said, that when he was there and it was weighed, it was 255 kg.
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-15-2019
(05-14-2019, 02:19 AM)Spalea Wrote: Tigers TV Korea:
Impressive captive tigers !
The (assuming from his size) young male is just trying to make friends with the cranky female, you can see him slowly reaching in for nuzzles several time... not dominating or aggressive at all. And the other male became collateral.
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 05-15-2019
(05-15-2019, 10:22 AM)Rishi Wrote:Yes agree with you ! At any moment he doesn't want to fight. But I rather find them both three very impressive. The youngest to elude the aggressiv acts by the other ones, and the other because they are immediately displaying spectacular dispositions...(05-14-2019, 02:19 AM)Spalea Wrote: Tigers TV Korea:
Impressive captive tigers !
The (assuming from his size) young male is just trying to make friends, you can see him slowly reaching in for nuzzles several time... not dominating or aggressive at all. It's the other one that's cranky!
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 05-15-2019
(05-15-2019, 09:53 AM)Spalea Wrote:(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Shadow Wrote:Yes, I remind this lion ! A lion from a Scandinavian zoo, more precisely from Norway or Finland isn't it ? Yes it was a beautiful male lion, a beautiful captive male lion for sure... Because in terms of strength and vigour he would be unable to withstand more than 2 minutes against this one of the video... I refuse to compare captive animals with the wild ones, it's completely an other league. But yes, as you say, appearence is quite similar in many ways, appearance...(05-14-2019, 11:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #275: This lady has a volcanic awakening !
Apart from that, perhaps it's an illusion, but this male lion is rather big, powerful, I find...
That male for sure looks like to be a big one and in good shape, I agree. When thinking a lion weighing anything between 200-250 kg, this is what I would expect it to look like. When comparing this to one captive lion weighing 250 kg, appearance is quite similar in many ways. Do you remember that video where is that big male jumping. Staff say on video, that it is 250 kg and pantherinae who has been working in that zoo also said, that when he was there and it was weighed, it was 255 kg.
My observation was not about fighting in this case, just about appearance of those lions and what robust lion in good condition looks like :) And that was a zoo in Norway, where @Pantherinae lives. But if there is more about lions, then maybe we continue in some lion thread :)
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Luipaard - 05-15-2019
Territorial fight in the forests of central Kenya.
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RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 05-16-2019
(05-15-2019, 11:27 AM)Shadow Wrote:(05-15-2019, 09:53 AM)Spalea Wrote:(05-14-2019, 11:36 AM)Shadow Wrote:Yes, I remind this lion ! A lion from a Scandinavian zoo, more precisely from Norway or Finland isn't it ? Yes it was a beautiful male lion, a beautiful captive male lion for sure... Because in terms of strength and vigour he would be unable to withstand more than 2 minutes against this one of the video... I refuse to compare captive animals with the wild ones, it's completely an other league. But yes, as you say, appearence is quite similar in many ways, appearance...(05-14-2019, 11:14 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #275: This lady has a volcanic awakening !
Apart from that, perhaps it's an illusion, but this male lion is rather big, powerful, I find...
That male for sure looks like to be a big one and in good shape, I agree. When thinking a lion weighing anything between 200-250 kg, this is what I would expect it to look like. When comparing this to one captive lion weighing 250 kg, appearance is quite similar in many ways. Do you remember that video where is that big male jumping. Staff say on video, that it is 250 kg and pantherinae who has been working in that zoo also said, that when he was there and it was weighed, it was 255 kg.
My observation was not about fighting in this case, just about appearance of those lions and what robust lion in good condition looks like :) And that was a zoo in Norway, where @Pantherinae lives. But if there is more about lions, then maybe we continue in some lion thread :)
Yes I know you didn't make this observation in terms of fight. But even when you are speaking about the similarities as concerns the appearances of this big captive lion of Norway and this one... Look at this alpha male coming close to the sleeping lioness. You can watch the muscles in the entire body working: lapt belt, muscles of the front limb and the hind limb, the shoulders... What mucles are evidenced at any precise moment of the body action... I have watched this video several times because of that and it's really a visual pleasure you were unable to see that with a captive lion.
And look at the lioness's reaction when she is suddendly disturbed: explosiv ! But at any moment she seriously teaches the male lion.
RE: Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 05-17-2019
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mahendrajain2015-Brutality of the Wild World (a Video Film will be released on this story soon) - Ranthambhore - 2019.
It was a bright and sunny afternoon. Termperature was upwards of 40 deg C.
As our vehicle slowly continued in our pursuit to spot a wild cat, we saw Noor resting in a water body.
We continued enjoying the sighting. All of a sudden, about 50 feet away, we saw another tiger approach the water body with caution. This was Noor’s daughter - Sultana. Noor soon got out of the water body and started to walk away.
Sultana then got into the water body, albeit briefly. She got out within a couple of minutes and to our surprise started walking in the direction of Noor. It didnt take us long to realise that she wanted to have a fight with her mother and it would be one of those brutal territorial fights.
It wasnt long before Sultana caught up with Noor and what followed thereafter is difficult to explain in words. I have never witnessed such a brutal fight in the middle of the forest path, not far from where our vehicle was. They roared at each other and fought vigorously. To our surprise, Noor gave up in the end and Sultana won the battle. Sultana was a little under 3 years old and she managed to win the fight against her mother and managed to claim the territory as hers.
Noor was earlier also chased away from her previous territory. What happens ahead - only time will tell. There was news that Noor had mated a few weeks back. There was hope that she would deliver cubs soon. Hope Noor recovers from this shock and continues her journey in this brutal wild world.