(05-11-2022, 08:34 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:08 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 11:49 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Nhenha is working his way into legendary sabi sands lion status, for me,getting up there with the likes of makhulu and hairy belly, be interesting to see how the future unfolds for the big fella

I think Nhena is pretty much average except maybe in size so I wouldn't put him in that list. Nhena's life has been the average life of a lion who made it past the age of 10 pretty much.

size is average too.

(05-11-2022, 05:26 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 08:34 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:08 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 11:49 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Nhenha is working his way into legendary sabi sands lion status, for me,getting up there with the likes of makhulu and hairy belly, be interesting to see how the future unfolds for the big fella

I think Nhena is pretty much average except maybe in size so I wouldn't put him in that list. Nhena's life has been the average life of a lion who made it past the age of 10 pretty much.

size is average too.

Actually im pretty sure he is the biggest lion in SS at the moment, and he was also the biggest of the BBoys, he is not as big as HB Matimba but still Nhena is above average in size

(05-11-2022, 05:53 PM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 05:26 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 08:34 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:08 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 11:49 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Nhenha is working his way into legendary sabi sands lion status, for me,getting up there with the likes of makhulu and hairy belly, be interesting to see how the future unfolds for the big fella

I think Nhena is pretty much average except maybe in size so I wouldn't put him in that list. Nhena's life has been the average life of a lion who made it past the age of 10 pretty much.

size is average too.

Actually im pretty sure he is the biggest lion in SS at the moment, and he was also the biggest of the BBoys, he is not as big as HB Matimba but still Nhena is above average in size

Nope, he isn't. He is big compared to Nsuku, who was tiny. He is average. 
Look at Nsuku next to HB and you will see how small the BBoys were.They were bulky though.

(05-11-2022, 07:18 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Enough of this "Nhenha is big", "Nhenha is not big" debate for 1236527 time, jesus..

(05-11-2022, 06:55 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 05:53 PM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 05:26 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 08:34 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:08 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 11:49 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Nhenha is working his way into legendary sabi sands lion status, for me,getting up there with the likes of makhulu and hairy belly, be interesting to see how the future unfolds for the big fella

I think Nhena is pretty much average except maybe in size so I wouldn't put him in that list. Nhena's life has been the average life of a lion who made it past the age of 10 pretty much.

size is average too.

Actually im pretty sure he is the biggest lion in SS at the moment, and he was also the biggest of the BBoys, he is not as big as HB Matimba but still Nhena is above average in size

Nope, he isn't. He is big compared to Nsuku, who was tiny. He is average. 
Look at Nsuku next to HB and you will see how small the BBoys were.They were bulky though.

Are we going to go over this for the 50th time. How many rangers and photographers is it gonna take to convince people. Nsuku was not a large lion but according to Tayla who used to work at Safari Live, he is more impressive than Eorenji from the Ndzega Males. And Nhenha dwarfed Nsuku, Nsuku looked like a lioness to Nhenha. You cannot make a comparison of Nhenha and Nsuku and then say all of the Bboys are small. Nhenha has been the largest lion in SS for some time now according to people who have seen him with their eyes. Nobody's opinion on this forum is as strong as that.

(05-12-2022, 06:06 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:55 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 05:53 PM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 05:26 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 08:34 AM)Abomai Wrote:

(05-11-2022, 06:08 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 11:49 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Nhenha is working his way into legendary sabi sands lion status, for me,getting up there with the likes of makhulu and hairy belly, be interesting to see how the future unfolds for the big fella

I think Nhena is pretty much average except maybe in size so I wouldn't put him in that list. Nhena's life has been the average life of a lion who made it past the age of 10 pretty much.

size is average too.

Actually im pretty sure he is the biggest lion in SS at the moment, and he was also the biggest of the BBoys, he is not as big as HB Matimba but still Nhena is above average in size

Nope, he isn't. He is big compared to Nsuku, who was tiny. He is average. 
Look at Nsuku next to HB and you will see how small the BBoys were.They were bulky though.

Are we going to go over this for the 50th time. How many rangers and photographers is it gonna take to convince people. Nsuku was not a large lion but according to Tayla who used to work at Safari Live, he is more impressive than Eorenji from the Ndzega Males. And Nhenha dwarfed Nsuku, Nsuku looked like a lioness to Nhenha. You cannot make a comparison of Nhenha and Nsuku and then say all of the Bboys are small. Nhenha has been the largest lion in SS for some time now according to people who have seen him with their eyes. Nobody's opinion on this forum is as strong as that.

what are you talking about? It was the guides of Safarilive who said the Bboys are on the smaller side. I don't understand why you want them to be bigger than they really are/were. just look at scarnose next to the kambulas and it's easy to see the majingilanes were even bigger than the Bboys, yet Rob always said they were only average.
Also, I compared HB to Nsuku, not Nhenha. HB dwarfed Nsuku. Nhenha is unquestionably bigger than Nsuku, but never dwarfed him like HB did. And being the largest lion in SS right now means very little. Nguvu was the last large male in the area.

(05-12-2022, 07:09 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I think the western guide heard being impressed on that night sighting when they first saw them two (NK + Nhenha) in western sector: "he is much bigger than the other one" should be enough to consider Nhenha noticeable larger than Nkhumua, maybe not by much, but still it seems like a notoriety that Nhenha has experience, size (and likely confidence and perhaps still strenght so far) in competition for resources with his colaition mate. Nkuhuma led, Nhenha followed, but that doesn't necessary mean anything for the dominance pecking order within a coalition which might be fluid and different males might come on top in different situations. Initially it is likely that at first Nhenha just followed because it has been Nkuhuma who knows those properties better as Birminghams never ruled there while Nkuhuma with or without Styx travelled through pretty much whole Sabi Sands and knows properties roughly to the west of Birminghams' former claims well. Nhenha also did not roar that might have been a confidence thing being newly nomadic again and also Birminghams were always rather cautious in comparison to other great Sabi Sands centered coalition (Mapogos, Majingilanes) - Nhenha himself avoided that one 1 vs 1 mating related situation with Mohawk  year ago - so he migh just prefer low profile anyway. Nhenha was also rather loner going his own way, might be just a personality thing not stepping up leading the way and just laidback tag along instead. Him finding Ximhungwe fits how it was him frequenting Tsalala lone female (and his daughter resulting from that is still doing well).

(05-12-2022, 07:48 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(05-12-2022, 07:09 PM)RookiePundit Wrote: I think the western guide heard being impressed on that night sighting when they first saw them two (NK + Nhenha) in western sector: "he is much bigger than the other one" should be enough to consider Nhenha noticeable larger than Nkhumua, maybe not by much, but still it seems like a notoriety that Nhenha has experience, size (and likely confidence and perhaps still strenght so far) in competition for resources with his colaition mate. Nkuhuma led, Nhenha followed, but that doesn't necessary mean anything for the dominance pecking order within a coalition which might be fluid and different males might come on top in different situations. Initially it is likely that at first Nhenha just followed because it has been Nkuhuma who knows those properties better as Birminghams never ruled there while Nkuhuma with or without Styx travelled through pretty much whole Sabi Sands and knows properties roughly to the west of Birminghams' former claims well. Nhenha also did not roar that might have been a confidence thing being newly nomadic again and also Birminghams were always rather cautious in comparison to other great Sabi Sands centered coalition (Mapogos, Majingilanes) - Nhenha himself avoided that one 1 vs 1 mating related situation with Mohawk  year ago - so he migh just prefer low profile anyway. Nhenha was also rather loner going his own way, might be just a personality thing not stepping up leading the way and just laidback tag along instead. Him finding Ximhungwe fits how it was him frequenting Tsalala lone female (and his daughter resulting from that is still doing well).

I don't think the guide was referring to the Nkuhuma Male when talking about Nhenha's size but the Tumbela Male because he follows that with "That's why I say, it's bad." Referring to the Tumbela Males situation. However, it's quite clear that Nhenha is bigger just by looking at the two males walking alongside each other, you can tell Nhenha is taller in the shoulders and has a larger body size and head. In regards to Nhenha's confidence, Nhenha definitely picks his fights depending on the situation. Nhenha for eg. chasing both the Nkuhuma Male and Styx Males last year and then the two Plains Camp Males as well. The year prior chasing both the Avoca Males by himself. Nhenha was almost guaranteed to have been involved in the Othawa Males death based on his wounds. Nhenha has definitely gotten involved in multiple chases and situations such as being the front runner against the Matimbas, Tsalala, Selati. Chasing the Southern Avocas with Tinyo in 2018 etc. He is also an explorer, often seen pushing borders like Kruger, the west where he found the Tsalala female and Mangheni Pride. Him and Mfumo pushed north and came across the Talamati pride. But there are times where he is seen being cautious and avoiding confrontation. We can't just judge him off running from Mohawk once. It seems he chooses when to be confident and where to chill and lay low.

(05-12-2022, 11:09 PM)DARK MANE Wrote: See, I have never been in these debates of size but how did size matter. 
Today Amahle is king of all sabi sands. All lion dynamics of sabi sands revolves around him only. 
He has largest share of females under his belt, most no. of cubs, undisputed king of sabi sabi, Umkumbe and londolozy. Has 3 powerful comrades to continue his blitzkrieg. He has all the potential to conquer much more land ( savanna,  chitwa chitwa and djuma) and many more prides ( mangheni, nkuhumas and talamatis). And on top of that, he is not even 7 ie has atleast 4 years of prime. 
So who cares if he is largest or not. 
I mean how is it matter that much. 
It sounds me like tomorrow we start debates on which lion has longest tail nhenha vs HB vs some other lion. 
Who has more moustache on his face etc etc. 
These comparision are neither cool nor funny. 
Please correct me if I am wrong.