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RE: The Birmingham Males - Tr1x24 - 12-16-2021
(12-16-2021, 12:44 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: If he didnt abandon them. He is going to have a big problem waiting for him if he returns now.
He could in theory wait things out and try to rejoin the pride once the Nwaswitshakas leave. But at one point the pride is no longer going to accept him back.
It would also be delay of execution. The Nwaswitshakas learned that there are good mating opportunities in that region and would be back for more soon.
N'waswitshakas are not leaving, they are now fully dominant males along Sand River, from Sabi Sabi to MalaMala Main Camp.. They are seen regularly in those areas for 1 month now (since their invade at the beginning of November), roaring, scent marking, pursuiting and mating with Kambula females.
Something like this :
*This image is copyright of its original author
In that time, they abandoned (for now atleast) their territory in Lion Sands and KNP, as we saw S. Avocas moving in Lion Sands and roaring few weeks back, aswell as Plains Camp pride subadults..
RE: The Birmingham Males - Mdz123 - 12-16-2021
(12-16-2021, 01:39 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(12-16-2021, 12:44 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: If he didnt abandon them. He is going to have a big problem waiting for him if he returns now.
He could in theory wait things out and try to rejoin the pride once the Nwaswitshakas leave. But at one point the pride is no longer going to accept him back.
It would also be delay of execution. The Nwaswitshakas learned that there are good mating opportunities in that region and would be back for more soon.
N'waswitshakas are not leaving, they are now fully dominant males along Sand River, from Sabi Sabi to MalaMala Main Camp.. They are seen regularly in those areas for 1 month now (since their invade at the beginning of November), roaring, scent marking, pursuiting and mating with Kambula females.
Something like this :
*This image is copyright of its original author
In that time, they abandoned (for now atleast) their territory in Lion Sands and KNP, as we saw S. Avocas moving in Lion Sands and roaring few weeks back, aswell as Plains Camp pride subadults..
3 of 4 males have been making occasional returns to keep an eye on their prides but still they spend most of their time in Mala Mala. Gore tends to stay back with the prides but does go north with his brothers
RE: The Birmingham Males - Slayerd - 12-16-2021
(12-16-2021, 12:44 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: If he didnt abandon them. He is going to have a big problem waiting for him if he returns now.Why would he return to N'waswitshaka? The N'waswitshaka have never been seen around the 3 Kambula mothers. There is no evidence of the N'waswitshaka being around the 3 mothers so Nhenha wouldn't be "returning" to them. The N'waswitshaka are still mostly in Sabi Sabi and only returned briefly. The only lionesses they have been around is Kambula #6 the infertile lioness and #4 who is theorized to be pregnant with Avoca cubs.
He could in theory wait things out and try to rejoin the pride once the Nwaswitshakas leave. But at one point the pride is no longer going to accept him back.
It would also be delay of execution. The Nwaswitshakas learned that there are good mating opportunities in that region and would be back for more soon.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Duco Ndona - 12-16-2021
The rest of the pride was reported to be closeby during that encounter.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Slayerd - 12-16-2021
(12-16-2021, 07:06 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The rest of the pride was reported to be closeby during that encounter.
There are 23 other members of the pride. 4 lionesses, 7 cubs and 12 sub adults. I don't believe the speculation that they killed Kambula cubs because the N'waswitshaka were never reported in the Eastern parts of the reserve and the N'waswitshaka wounds were either cause by themselves or the Avocas. Ubuso had bites on his back and scratches on his face and Amahle had a limp. No other wounds before or after which is why it's unlikely they killed Tinyo and are the reason the cubs died.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Mdz123 - 12-16-2021
Remember there could be many reasons how Tinyo died, if he is at all…
He could have been caught and cornered by hyenas while he was alone, or even he was infected by bovine TB… Although that is unlikely since he didnt show symptoms in his last sighting. Even illegal poaching is a possibility of his death cause.
Since lions can rapidly lose condition, for example, in mid-November last year, Junior Nkuhuma was in great condition, in early-December he was dead. This means that even Tinyo was in decent condition in his last sighting, he could by dead already.
We can never know anything about how Tinyo died without finding his body, which might never happen since he’s been missing and nobody found traces of him.
As of right now, I consider Tinyo to be “missing”, wont consider he is dead until at least a couple of months or confirmation from Mala Mala.
RE: The Birmingham Males - sik94 - 12-16-2021
(12-16-2021, 11:09 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Remember there could be many reasons how Tinyo died, if he is at all…Jr Nkuhuma is a bad example of this probably but agreed.
He could have been caught and cornered by hyenas while he was alone, or even he was infected by bovine TB… Although that is unlikely since he didnt show symptoms in his last sighting. Even illegal poaching is a possibility of his death cause.
Since lions can rapidly lose condition, for example, in mid-November last year, Junior Nkuhuma was in great condition, in early-December he was dead. This means that even Tinyo was in decent condition in his last sighting, he could by dead already.
We can never know anything about how Tinyo died without finding his body, which might never happen since he’s been missing and nobody found traces of him.
As of right now, I consider Tinyo to be “missing”, wont consider he is dead until at least a couple of months or confirmation from Mala Mala.
RE: The Birmingham Males - 1ofCourage - 12-17-2021
(12-12-2021, 04:41 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Nhenha in Singita yesterday
Was Nhenha looking for the Tsalala lioness and sub? How would he know that the mother is dead now?
He used to spend time with them.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Duco Ndona - 12-17-2021
Perhaps his sons. They don't seem to be too keen on spending time with him.
Though he could also be just searching for food while overthinking his options.
RE: The Birmingham Males - BA0701 - 12-17-2021
(12-17-2021, 02:01 AM)1ofCourage Wrote:(12-12-2021, 04:41 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Nhenha in Singita yesterday
Was Nhenha looking for the Tsalala lioness and sub? How would he know that the mother is dead now?
He used to spend time with them.
Hope he doesn't bump into the PC boys out there.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Slayerd - 12-17-2021
(12-17-2021, 02:21 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Perhaps his sons. They don't seem to be too keen on spending time with him.
Though he could also be just searching for food while overthinking his options.
I disagree, the videos that we've seen show the males being extremely fond of their father. I've seen 4 of the 6 coming up to him and rubbing against him. The video also shows them following him and not the reverse. I think Nhenha himself chose to leave the subs because the Singita rangers said he left Singita but they were still on the property meaning he chose to leave them
RE: The Birmingham Males - Chris - 12-17-2021
(12-17-2021, 04:22 AM)Slayerd Wrote:(12-17-2021, 02:21 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Perhaps his sons. They don't seem to be too keen on spending time with him.
Though he could also be just searching for food while overthinking his options.
I disagree, the videos that we've seen show the males being extremely fond of their father. I've seen 4 of the 6 coming up to him and rubbing against him. The video also shows them following him and not the reverse. I think Nhenha himself chose to leave the subs because the Singita rangers said he left Singita but they were still on the property meaning he chose to leave them
You are absolutely right! They’ve shown throughout the evidence that we have, that the bond between Nhena and his sons is a strong bond that can fare very well in the future.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Chris - 12-17-2021
It’s amazing how lion dynamics change rapidly. A few months ago, both Tinyo and Nhena were slowly pushing the subadults out from the pride. But as new males have come and put pressure on the Birmingham boys, they changed completely. And now we can see from a full scope that Nhena may very well see his days as the dominant males of the pride to an end and soon will have to be nomadic. Why not strengthen a bond with his sons and form a coalition? It’s truly amazing the possible scenarios that can happen!
Now once again we have to stay patient and wait for Tinyo. The lion world is full of surprises!
RE: The Birmingham Males - Duco Ndona - 12-17-2021
Have they also showed that bond after they went nomadic? That can make quite a difference.
Afterall, not that long ago he was pushing the subs away.
Its not a good sign that now, when reinforcing those bonds is most important, he is seen alone.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Chris - 12-19-2021
(12-17-2021, 02:37 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Have they also showed that bond after they went nomadic? That can make quite a difference.
Afterall, not that long ago he was pushing the subs away.
Its not a good sign that now, when reinforcing those bonds is most important, he is seen alone.
I did not understand your point. The Birminghams are not nomadic yet. The Kambula pride is divided at the moment. But you can see Nhena bonding with his sons which is an indicator that he knows it’s only a matter of time when they will be pushed out and may very well form a coalition with his sons.