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RE: The Birmingham Males - Tr1x24 - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 09:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: With all of the recent discussion about Hairy Belly, and as follow up to this picture of an injured Nsuku. In better days, here is a video showing Hairy Belly stealing a buffalo kill from Nsuku and the Styx Pride. One of the most confusing videos I have seen, as Nsuku and Hairy Belly are within inches of each other, making a lot of noise, but only once throwing a couple of half-hearted swipes at each other. One of the comical aspects of the video is how Hairy Belly out right refuses to show Nsuku any respect, and with Nsuku really close to him, he simply goes on about his business of eating Nsuku's buffalo.
Actually if you look at body language, HB did show a lot of respect to Nsuku, he was the submissive one (low posture, head down, avoiding eye contact) , while Nsuku was dominant one in this encounter (standing tall, head up, roaring on him)..
Nsuku and Styx pride already eat a big portion of that kill, and Nsuku felt it wasn't worth to fight for it anymore,especially with this big male..
Both males didnt want to fight pretty much..
RE: The Birmingham Males - BA0701 - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 09:42 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: With all of the recent discussion about Hairy Belly, and as follow up to this picture of an injured Nsuku. In better days, here is a video showing Hairy Belly stealing a buffalo kill from Nsuku and the Styx Pride. One of the most confusing videos I have seen, as Nsuku and Hairy Belly are within inches of each other, making a lot of noise, but only once throwing a couple of half-hearted swipes at each other. One of the comical aspects of the video is how Hairy Belly out right refuses to show Nsuku any respect, and with Nsuku really close to him, he simply goes on about his business of eating Nsuku's buffalo.
Actually if you look at body language, HB did show a lot of respect to Nsuku, he was the submissive one (low posture, head down, avoiding eye contact) , while Nsuku was dominant one in this encounter (standing tall, head up, roaring on him)..
Nsuku and Styx pride already eat a big portion of that kill, and Nsuku felt it wasn't worth to fight for it anymore,especially with this big male..
Both males didnt want to fight pretty much..
I agree my friend, with his posture being submissive, I was referring more to his refusal to come off that carcass. The confusing part, for me, was if you read the text of the video, it explains that Styx cubs actually came and ate off the carcass, right beside HB. This interaction, between two legends, seems to go against so much of what we would expect during such an encounter.
RE: The Birmingham Males - BA0701 - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 09:37 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 08:46 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: One of the Birmingham males #1 'Nsuku/Blondie' is in horrible condition,sadly he died a few weeks later
MalaMala-Sabi Sands,October 2.,2019.
Image credits to:J.Caylor
*This image is copyright of its original author
With all of the recent discussion about Hairy Belly, and as follow up to this picture of an injured Nsuku. In better days, here is a video showing Hairy Belly stealing a buffalo kill from Nsuku and the Styx Pride. One of the most confusing videos I have seen, as Nsuku and Hairy Belly are within inches of each other, making a lot of noise, but only once throwing a couple of half-hearted swipes at each other. One of the comical aspects of the video is how Hairy Belly out right refuses to show Nsuku any respect, and with Nsuku really close to him, he simply goes on about his business of eating Nsuku's buffalo.
I would say nobody won. HB was submissive, yes but in the end he stayed at that carcass and Nsuku wasn’t willing to risk a fight for some reason. Maybe he wasn’t hungry enough, maybe he accepted the submission so it wasnt necessary to go further, who knows. It’s everything speculation why he was holding back.
As far as the interaction itself, I agree Tino, there were no winners, or any losers imo. But, all told, given that he ended up with the carcass, I believe HB ultimately won the day with his refusal to give ground in that regard. The Styx cubs feeding right beside HB, as mentioned in the text, is the most confounding thing. It was a strange moment, for sure, and I'm just glad I got to see it in video.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 09:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:37 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 08:46 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: One of the Birmingham males #1 'Nsuku/Blondie' is in horrible condition,sadly he died a few weeks later
MalaMala-Sabi Sands,October 2.,2019.
Image credits to:J.Caylor
*This image is copyright of its original author
With all of the recent discussion about Hairy Belly, and as follow up to this picture of an injured Nsuku. In better days, here is a video showing Hairy Belly stealing a buffalo kill from Nsuku and the Styx Pride. One of the most confusing videos I have seen, as Nsuku and Hairy Belly are within inches of each other, making a lot of noise, but only once throwing a couple of half-hearted swipes at each other. One of the comical aspects of the video is how Hairy Belly out right refuses to show Nsuku any respect, and with Nsuku really close to him, he simply goes on about his business of eating Nsuku's buffalo.
I would say nobody won. HB was submissive, yes but in the end he stayed at that carcass and Nsuku wasn’t willing to risk a fight for some reason. Maybe he wasn’t hungry enough, maybe he accepted the submission so it wasnt necessary to go further, who knows. It’s everything speculation why he was holding back.
As far as the interaction itself, I agree Tino, there were no winners, or any losers imo. But, all told, given that he ended up with the carcass, I believe HB ultimately won the day with his refusal to give ground in that regard. The Styx cubs feeding right beside HB, as mentioned in the text, is the most confounding thing. It was a strange moment, for sure, and I'm just glad I got to see it in video.
Totally agree.
Despite there wasn't any kind of physical contact HB won that day because he after all stay with the buffalo.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-08-2020
An incredible looking of this Birmingham/Gowrie male when still were four members and dominants on the Northern area of the SS.
Sabi Sand GR,August 2017
credit: Villiers Steyn, At Close Quarters
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
One of the Gowrie/Birmingham males #2 'Nhenha' still with his teeth intact for being almost 11 years old isn't so bad
MalaMala GR,October 2020
credit: Sandeep Engineer
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
The Gowrie Male #2 on the lookout of something in the distance!
MalaMala GR,October 2020
credit: Sabi Sands Lodges
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - sik94 - 10-09-2020
The Birminghams are already almost 11?! Nhena really doesn't look it at all. I started following lion dynamics closely when they took over the Nkuhumas, how time flies.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)sik94 Wrote: The Birminghams are already almost 11?! Nhena really doesn't look it at all. I started following lion dynamics closely when they took over the Nkuhumas, how time flies.
Exactly,they're almost 11 years old (born in 2010). I heard first time of lions with the documentary of Tyson and Scar,However,I didn't joined to any kind of group during those times
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tr1x24 - 10-09-2020
(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)sik94 Wrote: The Birminghams are already almost 11?! Nhena really doesn't look it at all. I started following lion dynamics closely when they took over the Nkuhumas, how time flies.
Exact birth dates are unknown, i think that only Nsuku is born in 2010, and the rest in 2011..
Nhenha is still looking like a prime lion..
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
(10-09-2020, 12:54 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)sik94 Wrote: The Birminghams are already almost 11?! Nhena really doesn't look it at all. I started following lion dynamics closely when they took over the Nkuhumas, how time flies.
Exact birth dates are unknown, i think that only Nsuku is born in 2010, and the rest in 2011..
Nhenha is still looking like a prime lion..
Nsuku was just a few months older than the rest of the BBoys.
Most likely that they have born almost on the same time also the one who's most likely born in 2011 is Scrapper rather Nhenha
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
4 of the 5 Birmingham boys at Simbambili Game Lodge
Sabi Sand GR,November 2014
credit: Liam Rainier
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - T I N O - 10-09-2020
TBT - Scrapper of the Birmingham coalition at Manyeleti Game Reserve
credit: Darren-Roberts York
Manyeleti (July 2014)
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - Slayerd - 10-09-2020
(10-08-2020, 10:29 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:37 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 08:46 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: One of the Birmingham males #1 'Nsuku/Blondie' is in horrible condition,sadly he died a few weeks later
MalaMala-Sabi Sands,October 2.,2019.
Image credits to:J.Caylor
*This image is copyright of its original author
With all of the recent discussion about Hairy Belly, and as follow up to this picture of an injured Nsuku. In better days, here is a video showing Hairy Belly stealing a buffalo kill from Nsuku and the Styx Pride. One of the most confusing videos I have seen, as Nsuku and Hairy Belly are within inches of each other, making a lot of noise, but only once throwing a couple of half-hearted swipes at each other. One of the comical aspects of the video is how Hairy Belly out right refuses to show Nsuku any respect, and with Nsuku really close to him, he simply goes on about his business of eating Nsuku's buffalo.
I would say nobody won. HB was submissive, yes but in the end he stayed at that carcass and Nsuku wasn’t willing to risk a fight for some reason. Maybe he wasn’t hungry enough, maybe he accepted the submission so it wasnt necessary to go further, who knows. It’s everything speculation why he was holding back.
As far as the interaction itself, I agree Tino, there were no winners, or any losers imo. But, all told, given that he ended up with the carcass, I believe HB ultimately won the day with his refusal to give ground in that regard. The Styx cubs feeding right beside HB, as mentioned in the text, is the most confounding thing. It was a strange moment, for sure, and I'm just glad I got to see it in video.
Totally agree.
Despite there wasn't any kind of physical contact HB won that day because he after all stay with the buffalo.
I still agree that nobody won or lost. At the end of the day Nsuku had his fill as much as HB. HB was definitely submissive, all signs of Submission are there. You also see at one point, HB got excited and lifted up and Nsuku smacks him knocking him back into submission. I don't think HB was in any condition to fight a prime male and Nsuku didn't want to risk injury so they both just let it go but you can see how aware of his surroundings Nsuku is. He is making sure its just HB and not more threats around. I myself believe it was a moment of respect between the 2. Because Nsuku could have called Nhenha or the others who might have been close by and they could have easily killed an injured lion like HB. Nhenha and Mfumo even chased HB and Ginger at the start of 2017 at Cheetah Plains.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Slayerd - 10-09-2020
We can only speculate as to what the exact ages of the Birminghams are. For all we know Nhenha and Tinyo were born in late 2010 to early 2011 so technically they could be 9 only turning 10 next year or the end of this year. Someone once said Nsuku was at least 6 months older than the other 4 and the Old Birminghams took over the Birmingham Pride at around early 2010. So the other 4 had to be born at least late 2010 which would mean Nhenha and Tinyo are either only turning 10 now or are not even there yet. It's all speculation.