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RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
This goes a long with the other image on the top, notice the male killed and ate 3 hyennas, that they know of.
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RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
Notice the last words... "...unsuspecting foe (left)."
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
Where they not right in front of eachother?
What about the 4 right in front, are they not looking at the leopard?
What about the other 3 that where killed, where they all blindsided?
What about the other accounts of dead hyennas at the hands of a leopard, all blindsided as well?
What about these 5?
"It was first light as we left Mombo camp, within five minitues we saw Hyenas running from all directions. Our guide Simon shouted 'Leopard in a tree' but as we approached he jumped down. Who knows why? maybe he thought there was only one Hyena, BIG mistake! before long he was surrounded by 5 blocking his escape to a nearby tree. They attacked him from all sides (note the one on the right has a firm hold)he was rolling on his back slashing with all feet. The sounds were horrific and there were tears from the ladies in our vehicle,clouds of dust everywhere.They dragged him into a bush and before long all went quiet, we feared the worst,reminding me of thugs beating up a helpless guy in a back alley. After a while the Leopard appeared slowly edging away from the bush again followed but the Hyenas, but this time they were submissive and keeping a safe distance. Later we managed to locate them licking their wounds, the old man had inflicted some nasty gashes and bites."
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All must have been "unsuspecting"
and btw, unsuspecting doesn't mean unaware, simply means they weren't suspecting a attack.
Still well aware.
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
What about this much larger Hyenna, I guess he isn't looking directly at the smaller Leopard before its completely ran off?
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
Looked like the hyena simply didn't want any trouble... at that moment in time.
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
Anything can happen in nature and there are always exceptions to anticipated responses, but my guess is leopards GENERALLY don't want to mix it up with hyenas, unless to eat it.
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
(09-04-2014, 03:28 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: Looked like the hyena simply didn't want any trouble... at that moment in time.
And the others?
The 5 hyennas wanted plenty of trouble, did they not?
They got the worse end of it as well.
I have no problem saying it depends on the individual and situation. But you sound like you are downgrading the leopard. Saying its not face to face, or its only sub adult or surprise attack. Etc.
A leopard beat 5 hyenna at once. How can you say the leopard is not the dominate animal?
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pantherinae - 09-04-2014
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
I just feel those cases are the exceptions. It is my opinion that GENERALLY a leopard would rather head up a tree than risk injury fighting a hyena unless to eat it. The leopard is the widest ranging and most successful big cat most likely because of its wariness, risk assessment, and opportunism.
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
How can it be a exception when so many exist?
Once again,
"It was first light as we left Mombo camp, within five minitues we saw Hyenas running from all directions. Our guide Simon shouted 'Leopard in a tree' but as we approached he jumped down. Who knows why? maybe he thought there was only one Hyena, BIG mistake! before long he was surrounded by 5 blocking his escape to a nearby tree. They attacked him from all sides (note the one on the right has a firm hold)he was rolling on his back slashing with all feet. The sounds were horrific and there were tears from the ladies in our vehicle,clouds of dust everywhere.They dragged him into a bush and before long all went quiet, we feared the worst,reminding me of thugs beating up a helpless guy in a back alley. After a while the Leopard appeared slowly edging away from the bush again followed but the Hyenas, but this time they were submissive and keeping a safe distance. Later we managed to locate them licking their wounds, the old man had inflicted some nasty gashes and bites."
Read more: http://theworldofanimals.proboards.com/t...z3CB2pwntf
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
How many leopards climb a tree to avoid the life threatening risk of a fight versus an equally large or even larger carnivorous foe? More than take those risks to fight for little gain. It's all about self-preservation for the lone hunter. A good sized meal provided the circumstances are correct and not too risky is another story. Therefore, while leopards can/will/ and do fight and defeat hyenas (in addition to killing them and eating them, I believe those instances are exceptions. Just my humble opinion...
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
(09-04-2014, 04:25 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: How many leopards climb a tree to avoid the life threatening risk of a fight versus an equally large or even larger carniverous foe? More than take those risks to fight for little gain. It's all about self-preservation for the lone hunter. A good sized meal provided the circumstances are correct and not too risky is another story. Therefore, leopards can/will/do fight and defeat hyenas, but I believe those instances are exceptions. Just my humble opinion...
Im sure many climb trees to avoid as well.
But what does that mean?
Some stay and fight, some climb trees, one is not a exception to the other.
End of the day, one leopard is able to defend and win against 5 hyennas, may be exception, but still happened and that is far more impressive than a leopard who is run off by a pack so it can hunt another day.
Neither is rule or exception
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-04-2014
This is most likely also an exception in terms of what might be expected to occur in MOST situations like it. Wouldn't you agree? The fact that this video exists doesn't change what USUALLY happens when a leopard is surrounded by 4 lionesses. Catch on?
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Pckts - 09-04-2014
Why would you compare a leopard vs 4 lioness to multiple leopards killing hyenna and defeating them?
Also, of course that would be a exception, but still happened as well as tons of others of leopards taking on lioness or even male lions, or walking past prides with little worry, as well as many being run off by lions.
No matter what you try to say, tons of accounts of leopards defeating multiple hyennas, killing them, stealing kills, etc. All exist. You try to skew these accounts that to make them seem like some extremely rare occurrence. But the fact that they are caught on vid, images, etc. Means they happen even far more often then we see. End of story
RE: Felines in competition with other carnivores - Siegfried - 09-05-2014
And no matter what you say... no matter how many videos you post... no matter how many sources you cite of legitimate documented examples to the contrary, I know that GENERALLY leopards will head up the closest tree.
THAT is the end of the story.