(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

(04-19-2019, 04:57 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

The 2 most recent articles state the tiger was fished out of the water.
That of course carries it's own questions as well.

There was that term floating in second article, true, whatever was meant by it then. In last article then again it wasn´t said like that. But this is typical for news about accidents and that kind of incidents.

(04-19-2019, 05:07 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

The 2 most recent articles state the tiger was fished out of the water.
That of course carries it's own questions as well.

There was that term floating in second article, true, whatever was meant by it then. In last article then again it wasn´t said like that. But this is typical for news about accidents and that kind of incidents.

Yes but the first 2 articles have later publishing date than the last one and both mention either the tiger being fished out of the watering hole or being found in the watering hole, so most likely that's where he was.

(04-19-2019, 05:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

Even too convoluted maybe? Of course there are many theories always, but sometimes it can be also good to sit back and think, that maybe it is just what it looks like to be, a dead tiger killed by another animal. If they would want to cover up poaching, they could just say, that tiger killed in territorial fight with another tiger. Why really start to make up something complicated if only wanting to cover up poaching?   

I think, that they really have been first looking it to be just a normal territorial fight, but then in further investigation noticing, that it has been most probably some other animal and then been very curious to find out what. Starting to make some this complex conspiracy sounds for me simply too much trouble, it is just a tiger after all, not prime minister of India or something :)

(04-19-2019, 05:14 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:07 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

The 2 most recent articles state the tiger was fished out of the water.
That of course carries it's own questions as well.

There was that term floating in second article, true, whatever was meant by it then. In last article then again it wasn´t said like that. But this is typical for news about accidents and that kind of incidents.

Yes but the first 2 articles have later publishing date than the last one and both mention either the tiger being fished out of the watering hole or being found in the watering hole, so most likely that's where he was.

Yes, in the watering hole for sure, but was it on the shore partially floating or floating in the middle of that is another question. But I didn´t mean to disagree about it, that there it was :)

(04-19-2019, 05:16 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

Even too convoluted maybe? Of course there are many theories always, but sometimes it can be also good to sit back and think, that maybe it is just what it looks like to be, a dead tiger killed by another animal. If they would want to cover up poaching, they could just say, that tiger killed in territorial fight with another tiger. Why really start to make up something complicated if only wanting to cover up poaching?   

I think, that they really have been first looking it to be just a normal territorial fight, but then in further investigation noticing, that it has been most probably some other animal and then been very curious to find out what. Starting to make some this complex conspiracy sounds for me simply too much trouble, it is just a tiger after all, not prime minister of India or something :)

Only one person stated that it "possibly" could be a Bear and that was based off a photo trap shot only. 
No vets stated anything about a bear, in fact no other person I've seen has mentioned it being a bear and Siddharth Singh is saying it's a result of infighting from a younger Male.

(04-19-2019, 05:19 PM)Diamir2 Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:14 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:07 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

The 2 most recent articles state the tiger was fished out of the water.
That of course carries it's own questions as well.

There was that term floating in second article, true, whatever was meant by it then. In last article then again it wasn´t said like that. But this is typical for news about accidents and that kind of incidents.

Yes but the first 2 articles have later publishing date than the last one and both mention either the tiger being fished out of the watering hole or being found in the watering hole, so most likely that's where he was.

Yes, in the watering hole for sure, but was it on the shore partially floating or floating in the middle of that is another question. But I didn´t mean to disagree about it, that there it was :)

This is your version:)

(04-19-2019, 05:16 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

Even too convoluted maybe? Of course there are many theories always, but sometimes it can be also good to sit back and think, that maybe it is just what it looks like to be, a dead tiger killed by another animal. If they would want to cover up poaching, they could just say, that tiger killed in territorial fight with another tiger. Why really start to make up something complicated if only wanting to cover up poaching?   

I think, that they really have been first looking it to be just a normal territorial fight, but then in further investigation noticing, that it has been most probably some other animal and then been very curious to find out what. Starting to make some this complex conspiracy sounds for me simply too much trouble, it is just a tiger after all, not prime minister of India or something :)

Only one person stated that it "possibly" could be a Bear and that was based off a photo trap shot only. 
No vets stated anything about a bear, in fact no other person I've seen has mentioned it being a bear and Siddharth Singh is saying it's a result of infighting from a younger Male.

(04-19-2019, 05:40 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:16 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

Even too convoluted maybe? Of course there are many theories always, but sometimes it can be also good to sit back and think, that maybe it is just what it looks like to be, a dead tiger killed by another animal. If they would want to cover up poaching, they could just say, that tiger killed in territorial fight with another tiger. Why really start to make up something complicated if only wanting to cover up poaching?   

I think, that they really have been first looking it to be just a normal territorial fight, but then in further investigation noticing, that it has been most probably some other animal and then been very curious to find out what. Starting to make some this complex conspiracy sounds for me simply too much trouble, it is just a tiger after all, not prime minister of India or something :)

Only one person stated that it "possibly" could be a Bear and that was based off a photo trap shot only. 
No vets stated anything about a bear, in fact no other person I've seen has mentioned it being a bear and Siddharth Singh is saying it's a result of infighting from a younger Male.

If you read this article and what is said about nature of injuries.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms 

When combining that statement to it, that there also is actually seen a big sloth bear which looks like to be injured. So no, not only camera trap photos. That is also why I think, that this case looks like to be fight between these animals. Not one single detail, but overall information combined makes it look like to be most obvious situation.

(04-19-2019, 05:42 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:40 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:16 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 05:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: This just seems like a convoluted attempt to cover up  poaching

Even too convoluted maybe? Of course there are many theories always, but sometimes it can be also good to sit back and think, that maybe it is just what it looks like to be, a dead tiger killed by another animal. If they would want to cover up poaching, they could just say, that tiger killed in territorial fight with another tiger. Why really start to make up something complicated if only wanting to cover up poaching?   

I think, that they really have been first looking it to be just a normal territorial fight, but then in further investigation noticing, that it has been most probably some other animal and then been very curious to find out what. Starting to make some this complex conspiracy sounds for me simply too much trouble, it is just a tiger after all, not prime minister of India or something :)

Only one person stated that it "possibly" could be a Bear and that was based off a photo trap shot only. 
No vets stated anything about a bear, in fact no other person I've seen has mentioned it being a bear and Siddharth Singh is saying it's a result of infighting from a younger Male.

If you read this article and what is said about nature of injuries.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms 

When combining that statement to it, that there also is actually seen a big sloth bear which looks like to be injured. So no, not only camera trap photos. That is also why I think, that this case looks like to be fight between these animals. Not one single detail, but overall information combined makes it look like to be most obvious situation.

It's the same account, nothing new.

(04-19-2019, 05:41 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: "that it would be most probably"-it was not there!

(04-19-2019, 05:54 PM)Pckts Wrote: It's the same account, meaning the same person who said it could be a sloth bear is the only one saying that. So anything to do with a sloth bear, injuries from a sloth bear or a sloth bear in the area with scratches is all the same person and they have nothing to do with the autopsy.
Now in regards to the autopsy, the actual scientific study of what caused the death of the tiger, they only mention it was a large carnivore and the tiger died of puncture wounds and hemorrhaging. No veternian on staff mentioned anything about a bear.