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RE: Freak Specimens - GrizzlyClaws - 06-15-2014
The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
RE: Freak Specimens - Apollo - 06-15-2014
(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
RE: Freak Specimens - GrizzlyClaws - 06-15-2014
(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
RE: Freak Specimens - Apollo - 06-16-2014
(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
RE: Freak Specimens - GrizzlyClaws - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
It could be.
However, the Pleistocene Cave lions also lived in the similar geographic proximity, yet they didn't develop the massive canine like that of the Amur tiger.
RE: Freak Specimens - GuateGojira - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote: Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?In fact, Amur tigers not only have long canines, they have the most powerful skulls among the entire species. The skull of the Amur-Caspian tiger have the largest sagital crest and the widest zygomatic bones. It seems that the skull itself evolved to be massive and powerful, much more than that of the Bengal tiger, for example.
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
I think, and I have say this many times before, that the Amur tiger evolved these cranial characteristics in order to prey over one of the most dangerous prey: the wild boar. The Amur tiger prey heavily in the wild boar, and the Caspian tiger even more, so I think that these tigers developed this huge skull to kill them more efficiently. Besides, these tigers are prone to die of hunger because of the heavy winters, so they need everything they can have to make a good kill. Besides, like a side effect, these incredible predatory capabilities help them against bears and wolves, allowing tigers to overcome these other predators.
RE: Freak Specimens - Apollo - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 10:45 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
It could be.
However, the Pleistocene Cave lions also lived in the similar geographic proximity, yet they didn't develop the massive canine like that of the Amur tiger.
Is these cave lions were pack hunters or solitary ?
RE: Freak Specimens - GrizzlyClaws - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 03:52 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 10:45 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
It could be.
However, the Pleistocene Cave lions also lived in the similar geographic proximity, yet they didn't develop the massive canine like that of the Amur tiger.
Is these cave lions were pack hunters or solitary ?
Mostly solitary, maybe sometimes lived in the smaller pride consisted of 2-3 members.
RE: Freak Specimens - Pckts - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 05:15 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 03:52 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 10:45 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
It could be.
However, the Pleistocene Cave lions also lived in the similar geographic proximity, yet they didn't develop the massive canine like that of the Amur tiger.
Is these cave lions were pack hunters or solitary ?
Mostly solitary, maybe sometimes lived in the smaller pride consisted of 2-3 members.
Bengal still has the record canines for wild cats, correct?
Madla.
So it may be more of a adaption to prey size, so whether fur and fat, or muscle and weapons, longer canines = easier kills.
I do think the amurs will have longer claws and teeth on average, so it may be adaption to fur and fat. But who knows for sure.
RE: Freak Specimens - GrizzlyClaws - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 10:04 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 05:15 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 03:52 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 10:45 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-16-2014, 09:26 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:37 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 10:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:(06-15-2014, 11:27 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: The picture above has proved that 90mm canine from the gumline is not out of the probability.
This tiger has larger canine than Madla who got 75mm canine measured from the gumline. in the straight line.
Is it 90mm straight or curved ?
Mazak didn't mention in this book 'Der Tiger' about the way that the canine was measured.
In the later published article, it was stated as the straight line.
http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
However, peter thinks that a 90mm canine from the gumline in the straight line might be too incredible for the big cat.
Anyway, many captive male Amur tigers do have incredible canine.
Do you think that longer canines of Amur is an adaptation to take down prey with thick fat and fur ?
Because most of the prey species in Russian fareast have thick layer of fat and fur for climattic reasons.
It could be.
However, the Pleistocene Cave lions also lived in the similar geographic proximity, yet they didn't develop the massive canine like that of the Amur tiger.
Is these cave lions were pack hunters or solitary ?
Mostly solitary, maybe sometimes lived in the smaller pride consisted of 2-3 members.
Bengal still has the record canines for wild cats, correct?
Madla.
So it may be more of a adaption to prey size, so whether fur and fat, or muscle and weapons, longer canines = easier kills.
I do think the amurs will have longer claws and teeth on average, so it may be adaption to fur and fat. But who knows for sure.
I think tiger's longer canine has something to do with its connection to the ancient feline lineage.
Sumatran tiger has proportionally the longest canine as a 150kg Sumatran tiger practically having the same sized canine as a 350kg Cave lion, just as mind boggling as a 80kg Bali tigress having the same brain capacity as a 200kg South African lion.
RE: Freak Specimens - Apollo - 06-16-2014
(06-16-2014, 10:26 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: I think tiger's longer canine has something to do with its connection to the ancient feline lineage.
Sumatran tiger has proportionally the longest canine as a 150kg Sumatran tiger practically having the same sized canine as a 350kg Cave lion, just as mind boggling as a 80kg Bali tigress having the same brain capacity as a 200kg South African lion.
Yeah I too feel the same, it should be the ancestry.
RE: Freak Specimens - Pckts - 06-17-2014
Good point about sumatrans. Could of used clouded leopards as well.
RE: Freak Specimens - Apollo - 06-18-2014
Tall tigers
RE: Freak Specimens - Wanderfalke - 06-18-2014
(06-18-2014, 05:23 PM)'Apollo' Wrote: Tall tigers
attention: the enclosure is not on the same level as the ground where the people are standing.
RE: Freak Specimens - Pckts - 06-18-2014
(06-18-2014, 08:38 PM)'Wanderfalke' Wrote:(06-18-2014, 05:23 PM)'Apollo' Wrote: Tall tigers
attention: the enclosure is not on the same level as the ground where the people are standing.
You don't need to annouce this... We all can see the video haha
Kazan is a big boy that is for sure, thick from front to back and a little overweight...
Not sure what type of tiger he is, most likely a "north american tiger" bengal/siberian/???
I would guess him to be in the 275kg-325kg range....